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I can feel another Atrys flame war coming on.
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I can feel another Atrys flame war coming on. Your limbic system must be dysfunctional
"A good intention but fixed and resolute - bent on high and holy ends, we shall find means to them on every side and at every moment; and even obstacles and opposition will but make us 'like the fabled specter-ships,' which sail the fastest in the very teeth of the wind." R. W. Emerson
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Atrys, you need to realize when your advice is simply stupid and when your advice is dangerous.
Svenno has already refuted your silly claim. You really don't have much to offer the OP (per the usual). Your advice is rarely relevant and is usually ill-informed as well as plainly untrue. *yawn* Atrys, yet again, you tried to backtrack slightly (no doubt after Googling), but just not enough to admit you've offered stupid advice.....for the nth time. Next time, just admit you've been stupid, OK? Or else shut up before you dig any deeper into your hole. You're a danger to people.
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Atrys, yet again, you tried to backtrack slightly (no doubt after Googling), but just not enough to admit you've offered stupid advice.....for the nth time.
Next time, just admit you've been stupid, OK? Or else shut up before you dig any deeper into your hole.
You're a danger to people.
Haha, you sound hilariously mad. It's okay to be mad, just try not to let it affect the advice you try to give people. It really shows. Better yet, you may just want to study up on the material before you spew nonsense as usual. Don't get so mad kiddo
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Bennevis, in order for someone to experience severe or possibly even lethal hyponatremia due to excess water intake, one would have to drink vast amounts of water, and doing so by accident is very, very rare. A lethal amount of water per day for a fully grown person, is about 10-15 litres. Drinking more than 4 litres of water per hour is definitely lethal, but drinking so much occurs only during stupid acts such as water drinking contests. I don't like to point out anything as obvious as this, but excessive drinking of fluids occur very easily in some sporting activities, when people mistake fatigue for dehydration. It makes no difference whether the fluid is water or a sports drink like Powerade/Gatorade: the amount of sodium in the latter is minimal. A case in point is in marathons. No doubt you'll be able to find out for yourself how the guidelines for runners have changed in the past decade, following a spate of deaths. I've personally seen runners collapsing from it, while participating as a runner. Short-term dehydration (as occurs with all fast marathoners) doesn't kill; hyponatremia can, and does. I've never heard of water-drinking contests, but I'm sure they exist ; however, some obsessive people can easily drink copious amounts of liquids to excess (especially when advised by so-called 'experts') and don't realize how dangerous it is.
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That wasn't a refutation at all. Svenno's point stands, yours does not. OP ought to drink plenty of water (as we all should).
Yet again, just more nonsense.
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Atrys, yet again, you tried to backtrack slightly (no doubt after Googling), but just not enough to admit you've offered stupid advice.....for the nth time.
Next time, just admit you've been stupid, OK? Or else shut up before you dig any deeper into your hole.
You're a danger to people.
Haha, you sound hilariously mad. It's okay to be mad, just try not to let it affect the advice you try to give people. It really shows. Better yet, you may just want to study up on the material before you spew nonsense as usual. Don't get so mad kiddo Atrys, you need go get some life experience, before you do more damage. Like seeing someone who's collapsed with hyponatraemia, and the frantic efforts of the medics to save him. I'm normally quite light-hearted in internet forums, and don't take some people's posts too seriously (especially some of your frankly laughable ones, which are good for a chuckle ), but I DON'T joke when to comes to life and death. Do you get it now?
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There's nothing to get Your posts are often filled with words, but no substance. It's obvious you're still mad, but that's okay. You also seem to be upset with knowledge and often resort to a "Google" argument which is a fallacy on its own. If one studies well enough in school, one learns material. Anyways, your petty rage-filled posts are hilarious! Even more so when they're coupled with misinformation and irrelevance. Luckily there are some of us here to "fight the good fight".
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Even more so when they're coupled with misinformation and irrelevance. Luckily there are some of us here to "fight the good fight". So, you're hoping to dig yourself out with a bit of levity now? What was it that Arnie said: "Levity is good. It relieves tension and the fear of death". He always did have the best lines. But for you, I suggest more education. In the context of this thread, in biochemistry and medicine (- no, I'm not suggesting that you study to be a doctor, as that's obviously way beyond your capabilities). Maybe in a few years' time, with more maturity under your belt, you'll start to appreciate the difference between crass stupidity and the potentially dangerous when giving misinformation, of which you are evidently a master, judging from your posts.
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@bennevis You never really have a point in your posts; it's just "words, words, words" fueled by obvious frustration (even here, still). You consistently resort to attacking the person instead of their proposition, another fallacy. Your advice should never be taken seriously. Brothers and sisters, this is a man who truly believes that "strong fingers" are important for piano play. Your lack of education (or otherwise misunderstanding of many things) does not warrant sound advice. I'm happy to say that what you spew is typically so outrageous that a thinking person would not heed you. I expect more unwarranted rage and nonsense from you, it speaks volumes about your ability to engage in discourse
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@bennevis You never really have a point in your posts; it's just "words, words, words" fueled by obvious frustration (even here, still).
The pot calling the kettle black? (No, you probably haven't heard that before either, like so much else). You're an orator now, speaking out to the masses to try to get them on your side, still trying to justify your existence on this forum? If I may be so bold, try Shakespeare's immortal opening words for Mark Antony: "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears!" (It helps to have the Bard on your side too ). Actually, I don't know why I'm now also giving you an education in English literature, as well as in biochemistry and in medicine. It's probably because of my altruistic and generous nature.........
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Atrys...I before thought you were proud and perhaps a little narrow-minded, but I now worry that you're perhaps cruel or, at the least, too obnoxious to understand how cruel you may be being. I mean, um, you have *no* idea what the OP's life is like; s/he may have hypochondria and, yes, some people *do* overreact to medical advice to the extent that they cause themselves grave harm. Having been witness to such fatal emergencies first hand, I can assure you that they're very real concerns. I don't mean to patronise you, but, um, I see frequently the notions "as a nation, we need to eat less", "the average person in this country consumes more than 300 calories per day than they need to"...sure, as general rules, they work out. But to anorexics everywhere this is anathema to health, it is the *worst* kind of social pressure; one backed by poor wording, ignorance and good intent. *Sigh* I've not yet seen you concede a point on this site, at least not one in anything other than retort. Um...at least...I won't tell you how to live your life; you're clearly quite a contentious person and I'm sure that's worked out very well for you. And here I find it important to note that I assume the OP is perfectly rational and capable enough of sifting through ideas that don't apply...but...not everyone can, dear. So when I say "at least" I don't expect much more, but *at least* consider the fact that you *could* be wrong; person A believes B, person C believes D. Which one is right? The one that shouts the loudest? Something to consider...I hope Um...I wish you well...if you read this, of course Assuming you have....well, I'd expect you to treat this with the bravado you treat everything. But I sincerely hope that underneath that bravado is at least small shred of doubt or concern. Um...you're not perfect. I'm not perfect. Bach wasn't perfect and nor was Gould; we all have ways in which we can improve. It's a sign of maturity, I believe, to recognise what we're incapable of and to admit fault. It's only in recognising our flaws that we discover the room to flourish. As for the OP, who clearly stated in the initial post that s/he had *already* seeked qualified, medical counsel, if a proper doctor who has access to your actual hands, who specialises in problems such as these and makes their living from this, well, um, what hope do we have? Seriously though, all you need to consider is all the things (and yes, *all* the things; nutrition, *stress* {which has some of the widest and bizarre range of symptoms of any condition thus-far discovered}, other psychological problems, neurological problems, technique related problems, emotional disturbances you name it ) that your doctor wouldn't have...then try and see which one makes the most sense to you and, if possible, find a specialist in that field. Um...of course, it's not *every* problem, it's likely one small, correctable problem and I would try not to worry. Of course, trying to relax is a paradox, but trying not to worry is quite possible. It'll just take a bit of work before you get there is all; don't lose faith For my two internet-pence worth (exchange-rate uncertain), I'd venture that it's interesting you've not stated fatigue with respect to anything other than piano. I mean, um, I might be jumping the gun and you may have simply been trying to be concise...but does it affect other aspects of your life? Have you tried sewing, or extended origami sessions? It may sound strange, of course But it may give you a better idea of exactly *where*, when and why the fatigue occurs. Sometimes our bodies don't mind us doing what we think our bodies don't like; it's merely our perception of things that has to change. I can't guarantee this is the case for you, of course, that would be ridiculous...but I'd consider it. At the least, a fresh view on the world can be nice from time to time, even if it doesn't help anything... ? I hope your problem resolves itself in a nice way...I have no doubt that it *will* be resolved though. Best of luck! <3 Xxxx
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@bennevis At least you're trying to hold back your rage this time I'll give you that much. Yet, still, you have no proposition, you do not attack a proposition, and you commit yourself to fallacy. Your posts are literally meaningless, so I suppose there's nothing for me to say on that point The least I can do here is to make others aware that you do not offer sound advice, as it is unfounded. You can PM me if you'd like some recommendations on material for you to study so that you can begin offering actual advice to those who seek it. Until you take it upon yourself to correct your understanding, your posts are meaningless. @FSO I'm not reading that giant wall of unorganized, inconsiderate text. I'm actually hoping that one day you start taking the reader into account; I'm sure there is something to be drawn from your...rants...if you were to just structure them like a thinking person.
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adanepst, I believe bennevis's advice is sound. I've talked to more than one doctor about the current fad of drinking copious amounts of water all day, and they say it's unnecessary, and could be outright dangerous if the person is elderly, and has certain heart and/or kidney conditions. The biggest beneficiary of constant water drinking is the bottled water industry.
They also gave me exactly the same advice that bennevis did: Drink when you're thirsty, or if your urine appears darker than normal. And when you drink, make sure the fluid does not contain alcohol or caffeine, since these have a diuretic effect.
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Hello Adanepst, sorry you're having this problem.
I often experience tension as either fatigue or "difficulty", as in I have difficulty getting to notes, the reason being that the muscles are working against one another and making it hard to move. Relaxing helps. So do incredibly simple exercises like Pischna #1 (played VERY Lento) or the early pieces in Czerny Op. 139 or even just a slow scale, with attention to total relaxation in the non-playing fingers.
I have no idea if your problem is similar at all, but playing simple things slowly with very thoughtful attention to relaxation is always useful.
Since you identified your problem as beginning with those Brahms exercises, I would throw them away, not because they're bad (they're not bad) but because they were linked to the development of a problem and it's usually easier to start fresh with other exercises than to relearn old exercises with new technique.
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Atrys darling...better to be considered an idiot and stutter an incomprehensible truth in company, than to hold one's self so high that there are none to hear their well-versed lie. Um...I've stated before why I type as I type. Believe it or not, it *has* come up. I take the reader into account and will always apologise for any difficulty they may encounter in reading my words; will you make the same sacrifice? Xxx
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@FSO I'm not reading that giant wall of unorganized, inconsiderate text. ... I'm sure there is something to be drawn from your...rants... There certainly is! I picked a bit out for you so that you didn't have to read the whole page: *at least* consider the fact that you *could* be wrong
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Drink when you're thirsty This is incomplete. If one is feeling thirsty, it's already too late. The whole point is to avoid the feeling of thirst. It follows that one should be drinking water regularly to keep fluid levels up.
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better to be considered an idiot and stutter an incomprehensible truth in company, than to hold one's self so high that there are none to hear their well-versed lie.
This assertion is based on false assumptions. It's effectively a null statement. I take the reader into account
No, you do not. You may think you do, but you really do not act upon this. You consistently post walls of shear rants without any consideration for the reader that is acted upon. It's really a shame, since others have claimed you have "seminar" caliber thoughts, which is a ridiculous claim to make on behalf of someone that does not even organize written language.
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Drink when you're thirsty This is incomplete. If one is feeling thirsty, it's already too late. The whole point is to avoid the feeling of thirst. It follows that one should be drinking water regularly to keep fluid levels up. Wrong. The purpose of the thirst mechanism is to signal that water is needed. If the goal is to never feel thirsty, then we should all run around with IV lines attached to bags of D5W, so we never have to worry about hydration. Also, I don't understand what you mean "too late". Too late for what? Am I about to die? Don't think so. I simply need a glass of water.
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