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Any Good Reason Not To Remove The Wheels? #2258771
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My grand will be sitting in the same place for some years, I expect, so is there any reason why I should not take the wheels off when I set it up in the room? I like the idea of increased stability and less likely to rock.

The pads I have put together will work better with the flats of the legs rather than the wheels.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

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Re: Any Good Reason Not To Remove The Wheels? [Re: Nelson Muntz] #2258778
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Why would a 3 legged structure rock? I don't think that's possible! A heavy object like a piano, on 3 legs is about as stable as it gets.

I wouldn't get rid of the casters, personally. Aside from height problems, being able to roll a piano rather than lift/slide it is not to be underestimated. I would just get some nice caster cups if you are worried about your floor.

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The casters are usually taller than the space between the lyre and floor. So you can't really take them off.


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Re: Any Good Reason Not To Remove The Wheels? [Re: Nelson Muntz] #2258783
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Not only what the above 2 folks said, but I don't think I'd like the reduction in height.


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Unless it's on a stage dolly, the wheels really don't function as such. They're sort of like decorative feet, like a ball and claw. They don't roll worth crap. Put them in caster cups, and the instrument will be as solid as a rock.


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Re: Any Good Reason Not To Remove The Wheels? [Re: Nelson Muntz] #2258837
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All above and make sure you don't attempt to move the piano with the casters.




Re: Any Good Reason Not To Remove The Wheels? [Re: Nelson Muntz] #2258840
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FWIW, if your piano is rocking, it has to do with the legs, not the casters. Either the joint at the top of the leg or the method of fastener is in need of tightening. Many older pianos have a bit of rocking. Or your enthusiastic playing includes extra lateral movement. wink


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Re: Any Good Reason Not To Remove The Wheels? [Re: Nelson Muntz] #2258843
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I have a little three-legged stool that I've been trying to keep from rocking for years. If I put casters on it, will it stop the rocking?

crazy

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Re: Any Good Reason Not To Remove The Wheels? [Re: Nelson Muntz] #2258882
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I think the question could be worded " so is there any reason why I should take the wheels off when I set it up in the room?"

Once you have removed the wheels how are you going to get it in place. Are you proposing to remove the wheels after placing it? In which case how? You will either need to lift it and unscrew them individually; or remove the legs, remove the casters, then replace the legs which will mean you will have to do that exactly where you want the piano to be. Either way do, please, take a video of the work and either you, or your executors, post it on Youtube.

What size is the instrument?


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Originally Posted by accordeur
The casters are usually taller than the space between the lyre and floor. So you can't really take them off.


Bingo. If you like having a lyre you need to keep the wheels on, unless you replace them with an institutional dolly.

As Sam pointed out, if your piano is rocking it is likely not because of wheels. What does your piano technician suggest?


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Re: Any Good Reason Not To Remove The Wheels? [Re: Nelson Muntz] #2259043
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I'd be flattered if someone told me my piano really rocks!


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Re: Any Good Reason Not To Remove The Wheels? [Re: Nelson Muntz] #2259064
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"...They don't roll worth crap..."

I could not comment on the worth of crap--- that is not to say that it has none. However, my RX-5 rolls quite well on the pergo floor of my music room. It's true enough, that once you find the right place exactly, it may be unnecessary to move the piano for years after. But, finding just that right place does take some fine-tuning, and shifts of a very small amount can make a very great difference in the sound you hear at the music bench.

Then, there's that lyre thing.

Then, in the course of 'many years' it's just thinkable that you might like to paint the room, hang a picture, install lighting, change out the carpet or refinish the floor.

The piano's casters are not a stage truck, and should only be used--- and carefully then--- for those small but necessary adjustments. But they do serve an important purpose. Why are you looking at them so much? Shouldn't your attention be on the music rack, instead?


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Originally Posted by Nelson Muntz
My grand will be sitting in the same place for some years, I expect, so is there any reason why I should not take the wheels off when I set it up in the room? I like the idea of increased stability and less likely to rock.

The pads I have put together will work better with the flats of the legs rather than the wheels.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

I recently bought something similar thinking, "why do I need wheels? I know where I'll put it, and I want more stability." So I threw the wheels away.

No sooner had the garbage man come but I immediately regretted it. That is the way things happen when you throw things away, thinking you won't need them.


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I have several sets of casters taken off of grand pianos which are on spider dollies. As it approaches time to replace those pianos, I am glad that I have kept them, because the new pianos can use the dollies and the old pianos can go into less intensive service with their original casters.


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Thanks for the replies and insights. I wasn't planning on simply taking off the casters as the lyre would be crushed, as pointed out several times, nor would I throw them away. My plan was to build small pedestals of the hardwood flooring I just put down in the music room and sit the legs on those.

It's a Mason BB and delivered on Sat. When I bought it I saw it had a bit of rocking and during delivery determined it was one leg needs the dowel re-glued as Sam was suggesting. I put a Persian rug down under the piano and the three casters sit on the rug with a small rubber pad under the wheel. It is plenty stable until I get to the leg repair.

One poster seemed to feel taking the casters off after setup would be a scary proposition but I don't know why. It was no trouble setting the BB up in the small room, all 977 lbs of it. If I'd followed my original idea there would have been no problem but it just wasn't necessary.

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Hi Nelson
Not sure how large the pedestals would be but I might be more concerned about the piano slipping off those unless they were quite a bit larger in area than the legs and if so, I'm not sure how aesthetically pleasing it would be. My vote would be to keep the wheels.

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Originally Posted by phantomFive

I recently bought something similar thinking, "why do I need wheels? I know where I'll put it, and I want more stability." So I threw the wheels away.

No sooner had the garbage man come but I immediately regretted it. That is the way things happen when you throw things away, thinking you won't need them.



...so I suppose that you'll be buying a new bicycle shortly?


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