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A few details in Liszt Sonata text #2262107 04/15/14 12:29 PM
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Hello, I just ordered the Henle edition of Liszt's sonata, but since I am too eager to wait for it to arrive (and also I have a recital tomorrow where I have to perform it), I have a question to owners of the Henle about the edition's readings of the following points which I've made into a little picture, comparing the readings of Breitkopf and the New Liszt Edition:

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Thank you in advance.

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Re: A few details in Liszt Sonata text [Re: Vktmzkf932] #2262206 04/15/14 03:12 PM
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Without examining any of the details, I can tell you what is absolutely without a doubt the best thing for you right now:

Don't worry about any of it. smile

If your recital is tomorrow, don't worry about such things, which nobody will care about -- not even your teacher or teachers, because if they cared about it, they would have brought these things to your attention.

Go with whatever you've been doing. Worry about it after the recital, if you feel like it.

Although, I have to admit, I haven't always practiced what I'm preaching. grin
One time, in the warm-up room at an amateur competition, I noticed something a little different in the accompaniment than what I'd been playing. (Arpeggiated figure, in Chopin's Fantaisie in F minor.) In the stress of the moment I just sort of forgot about how there are different editions that have it different ways (and the way I'd been playing it was how it is in some other editions), and figured, oh no, I've been doing it wrong -- and I made a point of doing it "right" when I got out there, playing it a way I'd never played it before. I succeeded in doing that, but I was so distracted by that whole thing that the piece sounded like I wasn't into it, which I wasn't. It was a mistake for me even to bring a score into the warm-up room. I usually don't. I just happened to have it with me, so I started looking at it.

Go with whatever you've been doing. The details won't matter nearly as much as just your comfort and confidence and playing it how you feel it.

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The Henle always agrees with EMB.


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Re: A few details in Liszt Sonata text [Re: Vktmzkf932] #2262236 04/15/14 04:21 PM
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Thanks for your replies, I just was in the urgent need to *KNOW* right away. It costs me nothing to decide how I want to play all those places, and I guess I just wanted to fulfill this need in the name of the deep textual research I've been doing for months on this piece, which just wasn't complete without the regard for the Henle. You make a fine point though, Mark, and I would normally advise against changing anything in the last of moments before a public appearance.

Re: A few details in Liszt Sonata text [Re: Vktmzkf932] #2265096 04/21/14 08:57 PM
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Forgive me for poking like this, but I'd love to know also Henle's reading on these controversial octaves:

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Are they written down as shown in the picture (EMB), do they have '8', '8va', or are they single notes in the lowest octave? Thanks again.

Re: A few details in Liszt Sonata text [Re: Vktmzkf932] #2265100 04/21/14 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Liszt_BG
Forgive me for poking like this, but I'd love to know also Henle's reading on these controversial octaves:

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Are they written down as shown in the picture (EMB), do they have '8', '8va', or are they single notes in the lowest octave? Thanks again.

In my 1973 Henle, all four examples are single notes in the lowest octave. In bars 81-88 an 8va is used with the A three ledger lines below the staff; in bar 760 the low B is written out with six ledger lines.

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Originally Posted by beet31425
in bar 760 the low B is written out with six ledger lines.

In my Peters Edition (Sauer), the B (with two ledger lines) has an 8va under it.

I have mentioned this before, but that is the only time the low B is used in the whole sonata, assuming my edition is correct. Which makes one wonder- if you're going to add a lot of notes a la Horowitz, then Liszt's effect is rather lost.


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I am rather surprised that those are the readings provided by Henle, having in mind that they also published the manuscript facsimile.

argerichfan, it is the only time the low B appears, but this resolves none of the controversy whether it should be an octave or a single B. Still, Henle's decision to keep it a single note is curious to me, I expected it to agree with the EMB once again.

Also, judging by online sheet music shop sample pages, there are two Henle editions - 1973, and 1973/2001. Wonder what the differences are in the revised one.

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Re: A few details in Liszt Sonata text [Re: Vktmzkf932] #2265631 04/22/14 11:46 PM
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My Henle is, I'm guessing a more recent edition since I bought the score in 2010. In all of those bars (81, 87, 88 and 760), Henle prints a full octave (rather than just the low note).


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Re: A few details in Liszt Sonata text [Re: Kuanpiano] #2266163 04/23/14 11:10 PM
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And I'm guessing it says © 1973/2001 in the bottom of the first page?


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