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#2261169 - 04/13/14 05:26 PM Roland RD 800  
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Planned on purchasing a Roland RD 800 last week. Went to both Sam Ash & Guitar Center and did an A B comparison. 700 nx vs 800 ( won't go into the details ) I preferred the 700. I recently posted the details if anyone is interested. Went online today and searched the RD 800 at B&H audio. B & H states " this item is not for sale." Phoned Musician's Friend, and found out that they were once, taking orders for the 800, but are no longer taking orders. Was there an issue with the instrument? Anyone have any information?

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#2261180 - 04/13/14 05:49 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: 27Jan]  
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Same at GC. What's up?


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#2261203 - 04/13/14 06:38 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: 27Jan]  
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I believe this could be related to a small number of RD-800 customers apparently connecting the power cable to the instrument's XLR jacks?

http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1307

I heard that Roland Germany suspended shipments of the product because of this safety issue.

No doubt Roland Jay will clarify the situation shortly.

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#2261208 - 04/13/14 06:56 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: 27Jan]  
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So, the RD800 does not have a defect? It's the user plugging in the power to the XLR by accident. It does look like the XLR is close to the power, but really an issue?


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#2261211 - 04/13/14 07:01 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: 27Jan]  
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i guess it is if you compare it to the RD700NX.

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#2261223 - 04/13/14 07:25 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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The NX plug is larger and won't fit in the XLR hole at all.


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#2261226 - 04/13/14 07:30 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: 27Jan]  
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No clarification needed. The situation is exactly as it was posted at the Roland US Site. There is no defect with the piano itself.

Things should return to normal shortly and sales will resume. Please don't ask me for an exact timeframe as I do not have one at the moment.

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#2261241 - 04/13/14 07:51 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: 27Jan]  
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Thank you for the confirmation Jay.

I wonder why the power inlet was changed on the RD-800?

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#2261283 - 04/13/14 09:37 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: 27Jan]  
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Sigh, so many stupid people in the world. What a fuss about nothing - it's a shame that Roland has to deal with this problem and incur expense from it. It's the equivalent of putting handrails around every high place so people don't fall off. At what point to people take responsibility for their own actions and think about what they are doing?

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Originally Posted by ando
At what point to people take responsibility for their own actions and think about what they are doing?


If Roland had to post a warning for that nonsense, I guess Wüsthof should post a warning too....

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#2261425 - 04/14/14 05:46 AM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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It's analogous to packets of peanuts that are being sold with 'WARNING: This product contains peanuts'.

Just in case people don't recognize the picture of peanuts on the packet itself......


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#2261537 - 04/14/14 10:54 AM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Thank you for the confirmation Jay.

I wonder why the power inlet was changed on the RD-800?

James
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I was wondering something like that myself. More importantly why were both sockets designed so similar that they are somewhat interchangeable? Industry standard power supply sockets are fairly unique for a reason and no other socket on the equipment should even be remotely similar. Its not too hard to make the various connections idiot proof, especially where higher voltage connections are concerned. If both sockets are industry standards then the power supply cord should be hard wired.

#2261582 - 04/14/14 12:26 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: 27Jan]  
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@Roland. Make this a free option to all the registered RD800 owners. It's small enough to just leave it plugged into the board. Problem solved.

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#2261727 - 04/14/14 06:34 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: GLR]  
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Originally Posted by GLR
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Thank you for the confirmation Jay.

I wonder why the power inlet was changed on the RD-800?

James
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I was wondering something like that myself. More importantly why were both sockets designed so similar that they are somewhat interchangeable? Industry standard power supply sockets are fairly unique for a reason and no other socket on the equipment should even be remotely similar. Its not too hard to make the various connections idiot proof, especially where higher voltage connections are concerned. If both sockets are industry standards then the power supply cord should be hard wired.


They really aren't that similar. You'd have to be quite determined to get the power plug in the XLR socket. Sorry, I'm going with stupidity and/or negligence on anyone who can mess this up.

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Originally Posted by ando
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Thank you for the confirmation Jay.

I wonder why the power inlet was changed on the RD-800?

James
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I was wondering something like that myself. More importantly why were both sockets designed so similar that they are somewhat interchangeable? Industry standard power supply sockets are fairly unique for a reason and no other socket on the equipment should even be remotely similar. Its not too hard to make the various connections idiot proof, especially where higher voltage connections are concerned. If both sockets are industry standards then the power supply cord should be hard wired.


They really aren't that similar. You'd have to be quite determined to get the power plug in the XLR socket. Sorry, I'm going with stupidity and/or negligence on anyone who can mess this up.



Agree. Can not blame Roland on this one.


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#2261747 - 04/14/14 07:11 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: ando]  
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Originally Posted by ando

They really aren't that similar. You'd have to be quite determined to get the power plug in the XLR socket. Sorry, I'm going with stupidity and/or negligence on anyone who can mess this up.


Perhaps in a moment of panic on a darkened stage, you could mix up the sockets - the angle of the panel is towards to the floor so you'd have to feel your way. Your fingers could conceivably identify two of the XLR pins as a mains socket. Though it is highly improbable.

In actual fact, we are over from Portugal in the UK this week, and the children have already remarked on the preponderance of railings and daft notices all over the place telling you what to do, for the good of your own health and safety. It appears we are no longer allowed to go to heck in a hand cart in our own way. We must do it in the same fashion as everyone else nowadays. Silly.



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They should just make caps for XLR, attached like a gas cap. You take them off when you have the cables.


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#2261755 - 04/14/14 07:26 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: toddy]  
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Originally Posted by toddy
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They really aren't that similar. You'd have to be quite determined to get the power plug in the XLR socket. Sorry, I'm going with stupidity and/or negligence on anyone who can mess this up.


Perhaps in a moment of panic on a darkened stage, you could mix up the sockets - the angle of the panel is towards to the floor so you'd have to feel your way. Your fingers could conceivably identify two of the XLR pins as a mains socket. Though it is highly improbable.


Part of me wonders whether it's the Darwinian order of things that people stupid enough to do such things simply can't survive the modern world... wink

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In actual fact, we are over from Portugal in the UK this week, and the children have already remarked on the preponderance of railings and daft notices all over the place telling you what to do, for the good of your own health and safety. It appears we are no longer allowed to go to heck in a hand cart in our own way. We must do it in the same fashion as everyone else nowadays. Silly.



I was recently in Wellington, New Zealand for a holiday and what struck me very strongly was how many places didn't have handrails and safety messages - in places where they certainly would have where I live in Melbourne. I hadn't realised just how prevalent this "protective" stuff was in our society. I must say it was very nice. People need to look after themselves, educate their children on taking care - we can't wrap ourselves in cotton wool to protect ourselves. If anything this teaches us to be less vigilant about what's around us and more likely to have an accident. I doubt the random accident rate is any higher in my city compared to Wellington or Portugal. People just need to think about what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by toddy

Perhaps in a moment of panic on a darkened stage, you could mix up the sockets - the angle of the panel is towards to the floor so you'd have to feel your way. Your fingers could conceivably identify two of the XLR pins as a mains socket. Though it is highly improbable.



Maybe, but the keyboard is in front of you, first hole on the left. Thats it. I know it's dark but it's not a NASA mission, just powering up a stage piano.


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Jerry Lee would have really liked the option to blow some fuses...


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#2261779 - 04/14/14 08:08 PM Re: Roland RD 800 [Re: 27Jan]  
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If indeed the power socket was changed on the 800 then stupidity or not it seems the earlier models must have been the better design. I'd like to see what the two confusing sockets on the 800 looks like.

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I don't get it... I see diagrams of the backside and it's clear that the power supply is on the far right. The XLRs are quite distinguish. Are people that stupid? Is there a fire hazard? I want to get one of these soon.

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It's good they issue a warning in future manuals and on the site. Is it worth a manufacturing stop or even recall ? I guess not - owners should simply use their eyes and brain when they stick the power supply cable in the machine. How hard can this be ? I'm sorry for Roland. RD800 is a really nice machine. Now they have yet another case of bad luck to deal with, due to some un-careful use by a handful of owners. Cases like this are a pretty expensive exercise to deal with.

Hope they sort it out quickly with indeed a small extra plug or something they can send current owners and supply with new shipments.

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Originally Posted by JFP
Now they have yet another case of bad luck to deal with...


Have there been similar cases in the past?



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Is this what the XLR socket looks like on the RD800?

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In a related story, people are using the USB port and damper input to attach a music stand onto their RD800 smile


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Originally Posted by ando
I was recently in Wellington, New Zealand for a holiday and what struck me very strongly was how many places didn't have handrails and safety messages - in places where they certainly would have where I live in Melbourne. I hadn't realised just how prevalent this "protective" stuff was in our society. I must say it was very nice. People need to look after themselves, educate their children on taking care - we can't wrap ourselves in cotton wool to protect ourselves. If anything this teaches us to be less vigilant about what's around us and more likely to have an accident. I doubt the random accident rate is any higher in my city compared to Wellington or Portugal. People just need to think about what they are doing.


Couldn't agree with you more. The same argument can be applied to seat belts in cars or cycle helmets - supposed safety benefits but the change in attitude their fitment elicits in idiot lemming road users means that in fact users experience additional risks.

Last week we had a court case here whereby a trespasser who fell down a well has had her case for damages dismissed. There are real efforts here in the UK to try and clamp down on the litigious culture that has pervaded from the US. All our public spaces are besmirched with ugly barriers, rails and luminous yellow lines - just to look after people too stupid to look where they're going and to prevent a subsequent "no win, no fee" claim from parasite lawyers. The world has gone mad.

And as far as the Roland power socket goes, leave it where it is - please let the idiots of the world electrocute themselves. Please!

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I was recently in Wellington, New Zealand for a holiday and what struck me very strongly was how many places didn't have handrails and safety messages - in places where they certainly would have where I live in Melbourne. I hadn't realised just how prevalent this "protective" stuff was in our society. I must say it was very nice. People need to look after themselves, educate their children on taking care - we can't wrap ourselves in cotton wool to protect ourselves. If anything this teaches us to be less vigilant about what's around us and more likely to have an accident. I doubt the random accident rate is any higher in my city compared to Wellington or Portugal. People just need to think about what they are doing.


Couldn't agree with you more. The same argument can be applied to seat belts in cars or cycle helmets - supposed safety benefits but the change in attitude their fitment elicits in idiot lemming road users means that in fact users experience additional risks.

Last week we had a court case here whereby a trespasser who fell down a well has had her case for damages dismissed. There are real efforts here in the UK to try and clamp down on the litigious culture that has pervaded from the US. All our public spaces are besmirched with ugly barriers, rails and luminous yellow lines - just to look after people too stupid to look where they're going and to prevent a subsequent "no win, no fee" claim from parasite lawyers. The world has gone mad.

And as far as the Roland power socket goes, leave it where it is - please let the idiots of the world electrocute themselves. Please!


There's a lot of that I agree on.

I grew up in the 70s and 80s in the UK, and back then, if you tripped over, or slipped on something wet, then complained, you'd:-

a) look a bit stupid
b) get told you should have looked where you were going / took more care

There was rather short shrift for a lot of the sorts of things that people bang in compensation claims for, these days.

What's happened since hasn't been progress, it's just been pragmatism, and the path of least resistance - many are always looking for somebody else to be at fault or to blaim when something bad happens, both in terms of behaviour and actions.

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