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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Norbert] #2115428
07/09/13 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Norbert
By putting the question to me, Rod appears to imply that "Steinway technicians" cannot offer other opinions other than those touted by company.

If this is true or not is a different question: company people will always be company people....my own dad *was* laugh

My statement was simply that the tech in question after finishing extensive prep work on the new 6'10 called it one of the "most impressive pianos" he had ever worked on.

He did not use words like "superior" "better" or "best"

It is somewhat disconcerting that challenging that simple, factual, realtively harmless statement would come from someone who for long time has seen Estonia as competitor to his own business interests.

The record for this unfortunately going back a long time in our B.C. area.. cry

Wondering if same question would have been put forward if the tech in question would have called Charles Walter one of the "most impressive" pianos he's ever seen or worked on.

It's certyainly nice to hear from someone out of town who's truly independent not belonging to the local fold.

Guessing he's not exactly the only one...

Peace.

Norbert smile


Just trying to figure out what an "official" Steinway tech is.
Have a great week ahead.


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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Koyuki] #2115435
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Almaviva,

You're a relative newcomer to this neck of the woods. I shall attempt Yodaesque wisdom to enlighten you.

A long time ago, in a far and distant piano galaxy, a force known as the E11enberg shook the entire musical universe. Even the Knights Tempo, crusading with all their might, couldn't quell the uprising which occurred. At the same time, the Knight piano disappeared from the market by being sucked down the Reverse Well. With it went the E11enberg, never to affect the force again.

So it is best left to history and all of us ol' coots who reside here. To do otherwise would cause all of the Piano Forum to be banned.

I do trust that this has answered all of your questions.

crazy


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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Koyuki] #2115440
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Unlike certain dealers here who sell competing brands, I've never heard my "official" Steinway technician say a bad word about any piano. She was trained at the Steinway factory, so that makes her "official"?

She's trying very hard to make my Kohler and Campbell sound as good as it can. She only says nice things about it. So far, she hasn't been fired by Steinway.

But any day, right fellas?


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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Koyuki] #2115459
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Just trying to figure out what an "official" Steinway tech is.


It's the person who is consistently hired by a local Steinway dealer to prep his pianos. Including doing all major concert work in town.

Missed anything?

Why is this point so important to you?

And why the "have a nice week"?

Norbert confused

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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Norbert] #2115460
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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: hotcat] #2256107
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Originally Posted by hotcat
Originally Posted by Koyuki
Do you think the Estonia is better or similar to the Steinway? like in what ways?


I'm not qualified to say; I've tried quite a few Steinways over the years but only two Estonias. I loved both Estonias in terms of both touch and tone. The Steinways have been all over the map. I think an Estonia has a sweeter, more singing tone, perhaps. As for the ability to produce an "angry" tone or percussive sound, maybe the Steinway has an advantage there.

Maybe someone else can chime in here; I've often wondered how to characterize the difference between how pianos sound. Does the Estonia have a classic "European" sound or is it somewhere between European and "American" as I've read somewhere? What is the best way to describe the tone of a piano? One thing is certain: an Estonia does indeed sound different than a Steinway. But HOW?


These are very good questions- I don't mean to revive an old thread but I also love reading how the tone is described from piano to piano, in the same way fine wines are characterized by the flavors they have.

Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Koyuki] #2256141
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The question of "Steinway versus Estonia" needs to be answered by those who are checking out both pianos as possible candidates for themselves.

This, of course is not fundamentally different from comparing any other number/makes of pianos: may 'best one' win...

However, it's been long way for Estonia to even be compared to Steinway - a special accomplishment for sure.

Not too long ago nobody ever heard of the make and my competition was busy poking fun at it.

It would be nice to find out what the conclusion was for OP in her own shopping saga.

Happen to know, but it's not my business to say..

Norbert wink

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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: phrygian] #2256156
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Originally Posted by phrygian
Originally Posted by hotcat
Originally Posted by Koyuki
Do you think the Estonia is better or similar to the Steinway? like in what ways?


I'm not qualified to say; I've tried quite a few Steinways over the years but only two Estonias. I loved both Estonias in terms of both touch and tone. The Steinways have been all over the map. I think an Estonia has a sweeter, more singing tone, perhaps. As for the ability to produce an "angry" tone or percussive sound, maybe the Steinway has an advantage there.

Maybe someone else can chime in here; I've often wondered how to characterize the difference between how pianos sound. Does the Estonia have a classic "European" sound or is it somewhere between European and "American" as I've read somewhere? What is the best way to describe the tone of a piano? One thing is certain: an Estonia does indeed sound different than a Steinway. But HOW?


These are very good questions- I don't mean to revive an old thread but I also love reading how the tone is described from piano to piano, in the same way fine wines are characterized by the flavors they have.


I would suggest (timidly) that Steinways vary their tone throughout the dynamic range, but Estonias aim for a consistent tone across the dynamic range.

From the top to the bottom of the scale, both pianos try to have a clear, ringing tone in the top half, and a warmer, smoother tone in the bottom half. My speculation is that Laul patterned his piano after Steinways, but changed it in ways he found to be an 'improvement' (that is, ways he liked better).

Another way of looking at it, the Steinway sound grew up around Rachmaninoff and Horowitz, and is good at producing a sound that impresses and intimidates your listeners, just as those two pianists did. Estonia is more straightforward and intimate.

Either of these pianos can be brilliant under the right hands.


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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Minnesota Marty] #2745153
06/17/18 06:16 PM
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Hello Marty. I see you are in Rochester. I live here part time with my husband (and work in Minneapolis). I'm wondering what brands you might recommend I try as I consider grand pianos by Yamaha, Boston, and Steinway (the latter used). Are any worth traveling to "audition"? I'm thinking a 6-3 Estonia, for example. Heavy turns me off immediately, but something too fast (like the old Yamaha C series) is equally unappealing.

Are you a serious player? What do you play and how do you like it?

Cheers!

David



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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: DDobs] #2745156
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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Koyuki] #2745167
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Oh, that's too bad. Thanks for letting me know.



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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Koyuki] #2745189
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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Koyuki] #2745397
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RIP dear Marty!
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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: Koyuki] #2745537
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NY made Steinway and Estonia are comparable. But no question for Hamburg made Steinway.


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Re: Grand Piano - Steinway vs. Estonia [Re: trandinhnamanh] #2745887
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I shopped grand piano last year and considered Steinway, Estonia and Bosendorfer. At the end, we chose Estonia and are very happy with our choice.

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