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Re: Solid maple lid props for greater tonal brilliance?
ShiverMeTimbres #2254959 03/31/14 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ShiverMeTimbres
"We have a lid prop, made of maple, which can be used to lift the lid for greater clarity and brilliance of sound."


That's a fantastic observation, and it leads to questions about just how self-defeating that lid prop actually is in its function.

That wooden stick holding the lid open is actually blocking some of the sound as it exits the piano. Just think of the potential brilliance that is wasted!

Once Del has finished perfecting his ribless soundboard design, clearly the next step should be to investigate propless lids. The future of the piano may depend on it.

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Not being able to lift the lid can be a problem, but I have an idea of brilliance. For those who are elderly or infirm, and need assistance to lift a lid, maybe Chippendale's could supply a choice of strapping lid props.

(Please refrain from any suggestions in reference to any kind of wood.)


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Doesn't matter. The electromagnetic lid prop will obsolete 'em all. Invisible. Adjustable. Tone-friendly.


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Doesn't matter. The electromagnetic lid prop will obsolete 'em all. Invisible. Adjustable. Tone-friendly.

And best of all, makes power outages fun again!

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Originally Posted by bkw58
Doesn't matter. The electromagnetic lid prop will obsolete 'em all. Invisible. Adjustable. Tone-friendly.

And best of all, makes power outages fun again!


I just read your post. laugh (I'll race you to the patent office!)


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Originally Posted by Voltara
Originally Posted by ShiverMeTimbres
"We have a lid prop, made of maple, which can be used to lift the lid for greater clarity and brilliance of sound."


That's a fantastic observation, and it leads to questions about just how self-defeating that lid prop actually is in its function.

That wooden stick holding the lid open is actually blocking some of the sound as it exits the piano. Just think of the potential brilliance that is wasted!

Once Del has finished perfecting his ribless soundboard design, clearly the next step should be to investigate propless lids. The future of the piano may depend on it.


I'm sorry, but we're all looking in the wrong direction on how to solve the question of propping up the lid. The answer is simple: Grey Squirrels.

The average length of a Grey Squirrel is 45.75cm (18 inches).

Grey Squirrels have minimal Acoustic Impedance.

Grey Squirrels are highly trainable and work well in groups.

Every Grand Piano will come with 9 factory-trained Grey Squirrels. 8 Grey Squirrels to allow short/long position and an extra "just in case".

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ShiverMeTimbres #2254992 03/31/14 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ShiverMeTimbres
Originally Posted by Voltara
Originally Posted by ShiverMeTimbres
"We have a lid prop, made of maple, which can be used to lift the lid for greater clarity and brilliance of sound."


That's a fantastic observation, and it leads to questions about just how self-defeating that lid prop actually is in its function.

That wooden stick holding the lid open is actually blocking some of the sound as it exits the piano. Just think of the potential brilliance that is wasted!

Once Del has finished perfecting his ribless soundboard design, clearly the next step should be to investigate propless lids. The future of the piano may depend on it.


I'm sorry, but we're all looking in the wrong direction on how to solve the question of propping up the lid. The answer is simple: Grey Squirrels.

The average length of a Grey Squirrel is 45.75cm (18 inches).

Grey Squirrels have minimal Acoustic Impedance.

Grey Squirrels are highly trainable and work well in groups.

Every Grand Piano will come with 9 factory-trained Grey Squirrels. 8 Grey Squirrels to allow short/long position and an extra "just in case".

Beavers are bigger and you would need fewer of them.

Oh, wait....

ddf


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Re: Solid maple lid props for greater tonal brilliance?
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Originally Posted by ShiverMeTimbres
I read this as:

"We have a lid prop, made of maple, which can be used to lift the lid for greater clarity and brilliance of sound."

Those amazing Sauter engineers! A liftable lid...what will they think of next?



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I don't have a short stick for my piano. So, on advice from the technicians' forum, I shall actually use part of a 2 piece snooker cue for the purpose. I can chose from either an ash or a hickory cue shaft. I might try each and see what differences are discernible..


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Originally Posted by Voltara
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That wooden stick holding the lid open is actually blocking some of the sound as it exits the piano. Just think of the potential brilliance that is wasted!

Once Del has finished perfecting his ribless soundboard design, clearly the next step should be to investigate propless lids. The future of the piano may depend on it.


That's an easy one -- all you need is a ceiling mounted winch and a cable to pull the lid up. Simple, and no stick in the way.


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Re: Solid maple lid props for greater tonal brilliance?
ShiverMeTimbres #2255033 03/31/14 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ShiverMeTimbres
....My guess, we're looking at a poorly written draft that was copied over to their other products as well....
I might be wrong, but I don't think this is them saying the maple increases the brilliance, but what the lid prop is used for.
I first thought it might be a glitch in the translation of the German text. However, the German text expresses the same thing as the English one. Several other details make me think the copy was written by an ad agency and not thoroughly edited by actual "piano people".


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I've just sent in a Patent Application for "The All New, Sonically Transparent, Hover-Lid."

Operators standing by.

But Wait! There's more!

You will also receive a genuine, non-fabricated, fiber enriched, maple flavored, Note Sprayer Module!

Never Practice Again!


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Originally Posted by JohnSprung
That's an easy one -- all you need is a ceiling mounted winch and a cable to pull the lid up. Simple, and no stick in the way.

As heavy as the lids are on some modern pianos this might not be a bad idea!

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