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Re: Solid maple lid props for greater tonal brilliance?
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It might be interesting to try a very thin hickory prop, turned from a blank that was split, not sawn. It's the only thing that might have enough twang to it to make a difference. Other than that, I can't see it making much difference whether it's maple or a hunk of old galvanized 3/4 NPT gas pipe.


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I disagree. By extension of "Expressio unis est exclusio alterius" the statement that the prop is maple makes me assume that the rest of the piano is not.

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I think that's a clever way of saying the lid is NOT made of solid maple. Many people will read it as such though.


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I disagree. By extension of "Expressio unis est exclusio alterius" the statement that the prop is maple makes me assume that the rest of the piano is not.

Originally Posted by ShannonG
I think that's a clever way of saying the lid is NOT made of solid maple. Many people will read it as such though.


Then you and I are in agreement, as that was the point I was making. The lid prop may be maple, but the rest of the piano could be recycled hamster bedding for all we know.


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Hamster bedding is usually shaved cedar. When compressed it makes a great substance for a piano lid.

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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Hamster bedding is usually shaved cedar. When compressed it makes a great substance for a piano lid.

(I need an aspirin.)


....but if it was recycled it would contain substances other than cedar, ifyaknowwhatI'msayin'.


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Personally, I couldn't find a lid prop that was giving me enough tonal brilliance, so I had a local tech whittle me a prop from a genuine Steinway soundboard.

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Personally, I'm waiting for the test results on the new carbon fiber composite props. I've heard that the materials and manufacturing techniques now allow far greater control of longitudinal resonant modalities and better inertial coupling with the flower vase.

That's what I've heard ...

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Originally Posted by ShannonG
Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Hamster bedding is usually shaved cedar. When compressed it makes a great substance for a piano lid.

(I need an aspirin.)


....but if it was recycled it would contain substances other than cedar, ifyaknowwhatI'msayin'.

Well, of course it does. That is what makes pianos with this feature sme... er, sound so sweet....

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Hamster bedding is usually shaved cedar. When compressed it makes a great substance for a piano lid.

(I need an aspirin.)


....but if it was recycled it would contain substances other than cedar, ifyaknowwhatI'msayin'.

Well, of course it does. That is what makes pianos with this feature sme... er, sound so sweet....

ddf


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LOL. Norbert is a Sauter dealer. I can't wait to hear his spin on this thread. wink

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Well, iLaw nailed it. Wood of any variety is just so old-school. Everyone on the cutting edge of piano technology knows that the very best lid prop material is Geo-Thermo-Stabilized vacuum-bagged carbon fiber.

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I really think this is an inside joke at the Sauter company. Their products are too good to need fuzz like this.

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Wood of any variety is just so old-school. Everyone on the cutting edge of piano technology knows that the very best lid prop material is Geo-Thermo-Stabilized vacuum-bagged carbon fiber.
ddf


Get with the times, man! Vacuum-bagging is cruel. Free range, cage-free carbon fiber is so much healthier for us and more humane.


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Wood of any variety is just so old-school. Everyone on the cutting edge of piano technology knows that the very best lid prop material is Geo-Thermo-Stabilized vacuum-bagged carbon fiber.
ddf


Get with the times, man! Vacuum-bagging is cruel. Free range, cage-free carbon fiber is so much healthier for us and more humane.

A few hundreds of thousands of years ago all fibers were free-range and cage free.

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[...]A few hundreds of thousands of years ago all fibers were free-range and cage free.
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For that, you've earned slightly more than 4'30" of the silent treatment.

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Originally Posted by wimpiano
I really think this is an inside joke at the Sauter company. Their products are too good to need fuzz like this.


You know, this makes a lot of sense to me.

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I can just picture the brochure now... Carbon fiber for greater tonal regularity.

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I'm going to think that we're all focusing too much on the "lid prop" as opposed to what the lid prop is for. Which from what I have read is to stop the muffling of the high-notes.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan08/articles/pianorecording_0108.htm

A review of the Sauter website does describe many types of wood they use in their products. Quite a number of them, that I see.

My guess, we're looking at a poorly written draft that was copied over to their other products as well.

Their website:

" The lid props are made from solid maple for greater tonal brilliance."

I read this as:

"We have a lid prop, made of maple, which can be used to lift the lid for greater clarity and brilliance of sound."

I might be wrong, but I don't think this is them saying the maple increases the brilliance, but what the lid prop is used for.













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Originally Posted by ShiverMeTimbres
I'm going to think that we're all focusing too much on the "lid prop" as opposed to what the lid prop is for. Which from what I have read is to stop the muffling of the high-notes.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan08/articles/pianorecording_0108.htm

A review of the Sauter website does describe many types of wood they use in their products. Quite a number of them, that I see.

My guess, we're looking at a poorly written draft that was copied over to their other products as well.

Their website:

" The lid props are made from solid maple for greater tonal brilliance."

I read this as:

"We have a lid prop, made of maple, which can be used to lift the lid for greater clarity and brilliance of sound."

I might be wrong, but I don't think this is them saying the maple increases the brilliance, but what the lid prop is used for.













Is the assumption therefore that lid props not made of maple are not able to lift the lid and thus are not able to create greater tonal brilliance?

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