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Re: If Clair de Lune is so "easy"... [Re: Verbum mirabilis] #2249406
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Originally Posted by Verbum mirabilis
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
This thread is four years old, and has not been posted in for almost a year. It has already been revived from the dead once, as BDB pointed out a year ago after someone had awoken it from a three-year sleep. Why did it have to be revived again?

Next step is to stop posting in it and remember to revive it for a third time in 2015.


I think in 2015 it will already be the fifth time.

Edit: Wait... this is the third time, so 2015 will (hopefully) be the fourth time.


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Re: If Clair de Lune is so "easy"... [Re: TonyY] #2249778
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While this thread is up here, the whole Suite Bergamasque is horribly awkward and is much harder technically than it sounds.


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Re: If Clair de Lune is so "easy"... [Re: TonyY] #2249780
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Someone has confused "easy to listen to" with "easy to play" wink


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Re: If Clair de Lune is so "easy"... [Re: TonyY] #2250071
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To me Claire de lune is easy to play poorly but difficult to play well.

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Re: If Clair de Lune is so "easy"... [Re: TonyY] #2250136
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Nearly everything is difficult to play well.

Re: If Clair de Lune is so "easy"... [Re: TonyY] #2250197
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In my opinion,

Clair de Lune is not a technically demanding piece, maybe a little technical. With that said, I do not believe it is a piece for everyone. I have heard just about every rendition I could find on this piece and I can say that despite the many different interpretations, there is only one recording which I would say is the gold standard. While it may be wrong to call it perfect, I would say it comes as close as possible.

http://youtu.be/OUx6ZY60uiI?t=7m49s

Dynamics are so important. P crescendo to F has to be structured perfectly for each bar. The tempo is second most important. Tone.

All of these have to be synchronized perfectly and maintained throughout the length.

Most people I hear play this piece are guilty of just playing through the notes without paying attention to the tone, pedal, and the timing of dynamics.

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Re: If Clair de Lune is so "easy"... [Re: Kuanpiano] #2250353
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Originally Posted by Kuanpiano
While this thread is up here, the whole Suite Bergamasque is horribly awkward and is much harder technically than it sounds.


To echo someone recently banned, I completely agree. I also think the last movement is almost always played much too fast.

There was a thread not too long ago about pianistic music and some people seemed to think Debussy's music was always pianistic. I didn't say anything at the time, but was thinking that their hands must be quite a bit different than mine, because Debussy frequently feels awkward to me, which is one reason I seldom play it (I like hearing others play it, though).

Re: If Clair de Lune is so "easy"... [Re: Damon] #2250416
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Originally Posted by Damon
Nearly everything is difficult to play well.


No kidding. I find myself utterly intimidated by some of easiest pieces mostly because now, as an adult, I know how they can sound and utterly hate sounding like a kid plonking away at it. It's why I run in fear from those supposedly "easy" pieces that are thrown to kids, like Fur Elise or Moonlight or Most Any Mozart Sonata, or even Anna Magdalena's Notebook. Of course, the harder stuff is out of my wheelhouse simply based on skill, so it kind of leaves me with precious little to play with confidence.

I am not a huge Debussy fan (who else hears Family Guy now when the word "Debussy" is said?) but would dearly love to play it well. But I will not be attempting Clair de Lune for quite some time.

Re: If Clair de Lune is so "easy"... [Re: TonyY] #2250422
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Nothing wrong, I suppose, when an old thread, revived, gains a new life - says he who often caustically comments on the apparent pointless resurrection of old threads!


I think one of the most difficult aspects of some of the more "reflective" Debussy piano works - excluding, of course, those works that have a strong rhythmic drive to them - is to be able to play with considerable flexibility of tempo and yet be able to give them a good sense of forward movement. Too much rubato, and they bog down; to little, and they become mechanical. The "juste milieu" is elusively hard to achieve, yet magical when realized.

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