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Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software #2249045
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I was just curious as to how these two compare.

In terms of sound quality. (Not action)

Can the pianos in the nord library match that of Galaxy, Ivory 2 and other piano libraries?






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Re: Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software [Re: Mta88] #2249068
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In my opinion Nord hasn't the best sound among DPs, let alone the best software pianos....


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Re: Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software [Re: Mta88] #2249072
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I think the Nord piano sounds are pretty good, probably considerably better than in my Casio, but the top software pianos are better still. At least if you have a decent sound system for the whole thing. I just tried Pianoteq, and it sounded like I was standing in an empty container, being beaten from the outside with iron bars.


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Re: Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software [Re: Mta88] #2249076
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Digitalguy, may I ask which DPs you prefer in terms of sound?

In my opinion, Nords offer the most tonal flexibility, due to their ability to download alternative samples. Technically speaking, the Korg Kronos pianos should sound superior, however despite the (relatively) small sample size, Nord sounds manage to retain a very special, musical quality which keeps their fans coming back for more.

There is also the new Kurzweil Forte which boasts multi-gigabyte samples, however I've yet to play this board for myself.

Generally speaking, I believe the Nord samples are among the best available in a hardware DP, however the tonal quality arguably cannot match that of a modern, multi-gigabyte software piano package such as Ivory, Galaxy, True Keys, etc.

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Re: Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software [Re: Mta88] #2249091
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Well that answers it..

Kawai VPC for the win. (not sure if that is a local term so forgive me if it doesn't make sense)



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Re: Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software [Re: Mta88] #2249198
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Mta88, I'm using my VPC1 to play the Clavia sounds in a Nord Electro 3, and I also own the Galaxy II pianos (running on a MacBook Pro). FWIW, I prefer the VPC1-Nord setup BY FAR to the software setup for a variety of reasons, all to do with music making. The main reasons are: No latency, no hassle, and a much better sound using the EQ on the Nord for various audio configurations, even if a few details may be missing.

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Is this a comparison for gigging or home use? I'm considering the Nord Piano 2 for gigging only. I'm not gigging with VPC or anything over 40 lbs. Been there, done that.

I am interested in the thread though, since I'm in this "money burning hole in pocket mode."


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Re: Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software [Re: Mta88] #2249402
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Assuming for home use alone.

I currently don't get much if any latency with my software piano setup so that wont be a problem.

I was just curious about the nords

I guess in terms of realism there is little that can match the software pianos.


Can't wait for the yamaha CFX samples to come out

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Re: Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software [Re: Mta88] #2249404
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Im also leaning on the rd800 from roland due to the studio grand..


I absolutely love the sound of the studio grand.

But the custom velocity curves of the vpc might just bring that level of realism I desire in terms of feel..

Do the custom velocity curves really make that much of a difference?

The studio grand sounds so amazing ... at least in the demos


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From all the hours of research I've been doing on Nord Piano 2 lately, you wouldn't want to use it for serious home study. It's a gigging axe.


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Re: Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software [Re: Kawai James] #2249416
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Digitalguy, may I ask which DPs you prefer in terms of sound?

In my opinion, Nords offer the most tonal flexibility, due to their ability to download alternative samples. Technically speaking, the Korg Kronos pianos should sound superior, however despite the (relatively) small sample size, Nord sounds manage to retain a very special, musical quality which keeps their fans coming back for more.

There is also the new Kurzweil Forte which boasts multi-gigabyte samples, however I've yet to play this board for myself.

Generally speaking, I believe the Nord samples are among the best available in a hardware DP, however the tonal quality arguably cannot match that of a modern, multi-gigabyte software piano package such as Ivory, Galaxy, True Keys, etc.

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Hi James,
I think sound quality is inevitably subjective (think of the opinions about sampled vs modelled piano software...).
Personally, I prefer for example the supernatural sound, but I also really like the pianos in the Kronos and in the Forte (I love the Steinway sound). The pianos is the Mp11/Mp7 are very good too. I don't think Nord is superior to all this. But I have never owned one (only seen in shops and youtube) so I don't know all the possibities if offer.
This is a nice comparison with a Roland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=annjwzZEob4
Well action-wise they took the semi-weighted 73 keys in the video....


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I saw this video earlier. My only hesitation for getting the Vpc is with this video on the rd700nx :

http://youtu.be/lvvShQ0bOYc

I absolutely fell in love with the sound of the roland here.

But I know better than to purchase something based on demos

Nevertheless I do love the supernatural sounds heard from soundcloud and other recordings.

Plus the Vpc is more like you are purchasing a platform with future upgrades and possible future custom velocity curves for software pianos.

It's a tough one. frown


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Re: Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software [Re: Kawai James] #2249891
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Originally Posted by Kawai James

In my opinion, Nords offer the most tonal flexibility, due to their ability to download alternative samples. Technically speaking, the Korg Kronos pianos should sound superior, however despite the (relatively) small sample size, Nord sounds manage to retain a very special, musical quality which keeps their fans coming back for more.

Generally speaking, I believe the Nord samples are among the best available in a hardware DP, however the tonal quality arguably cannot match that of a modern, multi-gigabyte software piano package such as Ivory, Galaxy, True Keys, etc.

Speaking of Nord vs software pianos... I actually just put together an interesting side-by-side comparison of the Nord (Stage 2) "Italian Grand" (Fazioli) with VI Lab's "Ravenscroft". Each sounds fantastic, but I think the bottom (bass) end is richer in the Ravenscroft. You can see/hear it at this link:
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Re: Nord piano 2 vs Kawai VPC + software [Re: PianoManChuck] #2249895
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Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Speaking of Nord vs software pianos... I actually just put together an interesting side-by-side comparison of the Nord (Stage 2) "Italian Grand" (Fazioli) with VI Lab's "Ravenscroft". Each sounds fantastic, but I think the bottom (bass) end is richer in the Ravenscroft. You can see/hear it at this link:
http://youtu.be/9VV3EsqA7hU

Yes, you need the Nord's Bosendorfer for a full bottom end, but the Fazioli is superb in the mids/upper-mids. It's great to have the choice on the Nord!


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Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Speaking of Nord vs software pianos... I actually just put together an interesting side-by-side comparison of the Nord (Stage 2) "Italian Grand" (Fazioli) with VI Lab's "Ravenscroft". Each sounds fantastic, but I think the bottom (bass) end is richer in the Ravenscroft. You can see/hear it at this link:
http://youtu.be/9VV3EsqA7hU

Yes, you need the Nord's Bosendorfer for a full bottom end, but the Fazioli is superb in the mids/upper-mids. It's great to have the choice on the Nord!

Agreed, but if Nord didn't have its memory limitations, you could have the best of each (XL samples) loaded, and the keyboard split such that the Bosendorfer samples are at the bass end, and the Fazioli is on the rest of the keyboard.


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Nord pianos demos posted here sound like toys to me.

Of course this is not the right place, but please spend one minute to listen what a free 120 MB Kontakt library is able to do!

Here.

No comparison!


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Originally Posted by Qbert
Nord pianos demos posted here sound like toys to me.

Of course this is not the right place, but please spend one minute to listen what a free 120 MB Kontakt library is able to do!

Here.

No comparison!



No comparison indeed.... This must be a joke, comparing this almost unusable free piano to the Nord....


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Originally Posted by Digitalguy
Originally Posted by Qbert
Nord pianos demos posted here sound like toys to me.

Of course this is not the right place, but please spend one minute to listen what a free 120 MB Kontakt library is able to do!

Here.

No comparison!



No comparison indeed.... This must be a joke, comparing this almost unusable free piano to the Nord....

That's exactly why its free. Quality has a price.


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Originally Posted by Qbert
Nord pianos demos posted here sound like toys to me.
Nord users? What do say to this?

I know this is like comparing apples to oranges but I'd still like some rebuttals since I'm considering a Nord Piano 2.

thanks

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Originally Posted by 36251
Originally Posted by Qbert
Nord pianos demos posted here sound like toys to me.
Nord users? What do say to this?

I know this is like comparing apples to oranges but I'd still like some rebuttals since I'm considering a Nord Piano 2.

thanks

I refute that completely. I've owned two Nord Pianos and four Nord Electros, and they are some of the most realistic and detailed emulations I've heard in a hardware DP. I didn't warm to the actions in any of the Nord instruments, but that's a completely different story.


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