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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: Morodiene] #2237893
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Originally Posted by FarmGirl
I have a burning question. My piece is Op 15 #3 has many pedal marks showing that I should lift them on the third beat (see below). When exactly do you lift the pedal within the third beat? Should I lift it before striking the 3rd beat? Right after I hit the 3rd beat? Could it be right before I go to the next measure? I am kind of using a mixed approach. For example, the accented B flat in the first measure seems to sound better if I clear the pedal before I play the note. But the second measure E, I am clearing the pedal after I play the note to try to make the melody line sing fluently without chopping them.. Am I doing it wrong? My friend thinks that I should clear the pedal completely on the 3rd beat as it's written. What do you think? My teacher seems to think my approach is ok but she told me that I have to be careful with the pedaling.. Any thought and advice?

http://www.waltercosand.com/CosandScores/Composers%20A-D/Chopin,%20Frederic/Find_by_Opus_Number/op15_3_Nocturnes.pdf


I would make sure everything connects with what I play on beat 3, but not hold the pedal through beat 3. That means slightly carrying over so everything is legato up to beat 3, but not have a space happening before beat 3. I'm saying this having not heard the options though.

What sounds best to you? What do they do on professional recordings?


My teacher calls this "waltz pedaling" (don't know if that name is universal or not). This is the first time I have learned to do it - it took me awhile to get the hang of it. (I'm doing 69/2)

I don't do it for the whole waltz - just the A section. I think it does provide more forward energy.

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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2237970
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Morodiene and Sam
Thank you for the explanation. it makes sense now.


1) Bach c minor fantasy
2) Morzart Rondo in A minor, K511
3) Schubert Impromptu A flat D935 No2
4) Scriabin op11 prelude #2 and #14 (Re do #2, new #14)
5) kabalevsky Variations in A minor OP 40-2
Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2241295
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Remember everyone, the deadline is March 22nd. Don't forget to PM me your recordings entitled "Submission". Thanks and good luck to the remaining.

Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2241525
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Oh I love this Nocturne! I'm happy that I'm making very good progress with it, I was worried at first it'd be a bit too taxing but it's going pretty well! I'm going to have to submit it early (in the next week or two) because I'll be singing on tour during Spring Break.


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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: Roland The Beagle] #2247321
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Submitted! smile Looking forward to hearing everyone's recordings!!


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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2247390
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I'll do my best to record Op. 55/2 today. If I don't get a good take I'll try again Thursday.

Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: jeffreyjones] #2247398
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Originally Posted by jeffreyjones
I'll do my best to record Op. 55/2 today. If I don't get a good take I'll try again Thursday.


in the past two weeks I have no less than about 46 takes. I already submitted a recording, but I would like to submit a better one.. However, it's difficult to get a recording without a glaring mistake or a satisfactory feel. Let's not forget interruptions or loud street noises...


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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2247574
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I'm not quite at the point where I'm completely ready to record. It's almost there though. I had learned this many years ago and so I'm trying to make some improvements now that my technique is a bit better. I may try a new recording 'technique' for lack of a better term, and see if anyone notices smile.


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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2247639
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I got a recording with which I am pleased musically wise, but there are some mistakes in it. Particularly on a prominent spot, namely the start of a new sentence...

Will try a couple more takes. If it will not be better I'll be submitting this one.
Good luck to all!


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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2247643
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I recorded one yesterday but I hit a couple of wrong notes and hesitated at one spot. It also has a back ground noise by my husband dropping something. I have to travel for business on Thursday night to UK on business. So if I cannot get a better one, i have to submit what I have. I cannot practice today since I have to prepare for four day meetings in UK. The only other opportunity to record is Wednesday. Hope I can make better recording then.


1) Bach c minor fantasy
2) Morzart Rondo in A minor, K511
3) Schubert Impromptu A flat D935 No2
4) Scriabin op11 prelude #2 and #14 (Re do #2, new #14)
5) kabalevsky Variations in A minor OP 40-2
Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2247704
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I submitted what I have for now since I don't know if I can get to record it again on wednesday.


1) Bach c minor fantasy
2) Morzart Rondo in A minor, K511
3) Schubert Impromptu A flat D935 No2
4) Scriabin op11 prelude #2 and #14 (Re do #2, new #14)
5) kabalevsky Variations in A minor OP 40-2
Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: FarmGirl] #2247749
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Originally Posted by FarmGirl
I submitted what I have for now since I don't know if I can get to record it again on wednesday.


Good luck, I know all too well how difficult it is to get a good recording. I think I got my best one this morning, but it too me all day to finally get the recording from my digital to my PCM recorder because I literally couldn't get 4 straight minutes without a car horn, people screaming, scooters passing by etc...


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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: ChopinLives81] #2248169
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Originally Posted by ChopinLives81
Originally Posted by jeffreyjones
I'll do my best to record Op. 55/2 today. If I don't get a good take I'll try again Thursday.


in the past two weeks I have no less than about 46 takes. I already submitted a recording, but I would like to submit a better one.. However, it's difficult to get a recording without a glaring mistake or a satisfactory feel. Let's not forget interruptions or loud street noises...


I took 3 complete takes, and I'm not happy with any of them. I usually tend to play it pretty briskly, which is counter to the "Lento sostenuto" tempo indication, but I tried playing it lento and it just seemed too dreary. I can't make my interpretation work without the movement it seems.

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Finished a decent recording of my Nocturne. Only a very minor slip up on one of those massive grace note leaps in the middle section. Pretty proud of it. I've been working on it pretty consistently for months now as a major project.

I'm pretty much a Chopin newbie so I had to learn polyrhythmic ornaments, basic pedaling, fastish double sixths, grace note leaps and all sorts of stuff I've never done before for the first time, and in a very challenging piece to boot. Phew!

I had to get it done early because my singing group will be on tour from the 18th (tomorrow) to 24th in Hawaii where I will have no way to record it. I think for me an even better recording is possible, with a faster middle section and zero mistakes. Ah well!


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Piano Sonata Hob. XVI: 34 in E Minor, Franz Joseph Haydn
Nocturne, Op. 15 No. 1 in F Major, Frédéric Chopin
Prelude, Op. 11 No. 4 in E Minor, Alexander Scriabin
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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: Roland The Beagle] #2248198
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Originally Posted by Roland The Beagle
Finished a decent recording of my Nocturne. Only a very minor slip up on one of those massive grace note leaps in the middle section. Pretty proud of it. I've been working on it pretty consistently for months now as a major project.

I'm pretty much a Chopin newbie so I had to learn polyrhythmic ornaments, basic pedaling, fastish double sixths, grace note leaps and all sorts of stuff I've never done before for the first time, and in a very challenging piece to boot. Phew!

I had to get it done early because my singing group will be on tour from the 18th (tomorrow) to 24th in Hawaii where I will have no way to record it. I think for me an even better recording is possible, with a faster middle section and zero mistakes. Ah well!


+1 for two counts.

First, I am a Chopin newbie as well. When I was growing up, we were not allowed play such nice music as chopin but have to spend lots of hours for Bach, Clementi, Koulau (not sure about spelling) etc. Czerney collection of 30 studies etc. Lots of sonatines. Did a little bit of Beethoven and Mozart sonata.. I did not last more than 8 years. Had i continued, I would have started learning romantic / impressionist pieces within the next couple of years.

I also have to leave for UK on business this week. So I had to submit the one with a mistake. Did not have time to figure out how to attach some picture other than my playing but ran out of time.


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2) Morzart Rondo in A minor, K511
3) Schubert Impromptu A flat D935 No2
4) Scriabin op11 prelude #2 and #14 (Re do #2, new #14)
5) kabalevsky Variations in A minor OP 40-2
Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2248202
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I made a recording of my small waltz a couple of weeks ago. I listened to it again today and found that there were lots of small flaws, and since there still are a few days before the deadline I think I'll try to record once more. At least I have the old recording as backup.

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I will start making recordings today, I think, but I may have to piece together a couple of different takes for the sake of time. I've made a lot of progress, but it's still not enough to my liking. I also have one nasty page turn to contend with and I haven't been trying to memorize, so I'll have to get creative with that too. smile


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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: Morodiene] #2248408
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
I will start making recordings today, I think, but I may have to piece together a couple of different takes for the sake of time. I've made a lot of progress, but it's still not enough to my liking. I also have one nasty page turn to contend with and I haven't been trying to memorize, so I'll have to get creative with that too. smile


Morodiene :

Have you thought of downloading a page of your Nocturne from IMSLP that you can place beside your copy to avoid the awkward page turn? That way, you may be able to play through part of the copy page until you come to a spot where you can conveniently turn the page on your own volume.

I've been working on "your" Nocturne and two others for an up-coming recital and I, too, have an awkward page turn in two of them. Fortunately, I have three different editions on the Nocturnes and one can be used as I describe above to get me through the page turns.

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Originally Posted by FarmGirl
When I was growing up, we were not allowed play such nice music as chopin but have to spend lots of hours for Bach, Clementi, Koulau.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Morodiene
I will start making recordings today, I think, but I may have to piece together a couple of different takes for the sake of time. I've made a lot of progress, but it's still not enough to my liking. I also have one nasty page turn to contend with and I haven't been trying to memorize, so I'll have to get creative with that too. smile


Morodiene :

Have you thought of downloading a page of your Nocturne from IMSLP that you can place beside your copy to avoid the awkward page turn? That way, you may be able to play through part of the copy page until you come to a spot where you can conveniently turn the page on your own volume.

I've been working on "your" Nocturne and two others for an up-coming recital and I, too, have an awkward page turn in two of them. Fortunately, I have three different editions on the Nocturnes and one can be used as I describe above to get me through the page turns.

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This works! I just need to extend my music stand a bit with some cardboard. wink


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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2248628
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Guys, I'm totally editing my performance for pageturns, and also choosing sections from among the two best takes. Full disclosure here.


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I would love to know how to do editing. I don't have time now but I am depressed every time I see my rather plumb figure. It was not like this before. I need to learn to add a picture of dog or something instead of myself. On top of my mistakes my husband dropped something in the background.


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2) Morzart Rondo in A minor, K511
3) Schubert Impromptu A flat D935 No2
4) Scriabin op11 prelude #2 and #14 (Re do #2, new #14)
5) kabalevsky Variations in A minor OP 40-2
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I've been procrastinating by obsessing over some Mozart. I feel like the work I've done with this Mozart sonata is somehow feeding into my playing of the Chopin waltz. Maybe just an excuse smile
I might try a take tomorrow if I can get past this obsession.

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Originally Posted by hreichgott
Guys, I'm totally editing my performance for pageturns, and also choosing sections from among the two best takes. Full disclosure here.


..same here. I memorised so no problem with pages but had a couple of stops and starts.

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Originally Posted by dire tonic
Originally Posted by hreichgott
Guys, I'm totally editing my performance for pageturns, and also choosing sections from among the two best takes. Full disclosure here.


..same here. I memorised so no problem with pages but had a couple of stops and starts.


Not me, I memorize everything and do a bunch of takes until I get a good one, I prefer it that way.

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I would love to know how to do editing. I don't have time now but I am depressed every time I see my rather plumb figure. It was not like this before. I need to learn to add a picture of dog or something instead of myself. On top of my mistakes my husband dropped something in the background.


Farmgirl, if this is such an issue, why don't you just record yourself like I do. Position the camera to show just your arms and hands.

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Originally Posted by ChopinLives81
Originally Posted by dire tonic
Originally Posted by hreichgott
Guys, I'm totally editing my performance for pageturns, and also choosing sections from among the two best takes. Full disclosure here.


..same here. I memorised so no problem with pages but had a couple of stops and starts.


Not me, I memorize everything and do a bunch of takes until I get a good one, I prefer it that way.

Originally Posted by FarmGirl
I would love to know how to do editing. I don't have time now but I am depressed every time I see my rather plumb figure. It was not like this before. I need to learn to add a picture of dog or something instead of myself. On top of my mistakes my husband dropped something in the background.


Farmgirl, if this is such an issue, why don't you just record yourself like I do. Position the camera to show just your arms and hands.

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That angle is worse for me. I have fat arms. I would like to provide 100% coverage. Last time I saw a function of making the picture darker. But I could not find it any more in youtube setting. Anyway I will learn the skill by next time.


1) Bach c minor fantasy
2) Morzart Rondo in A minor, K511
3) Schubert Impromptu A flat D935 No2
4) Scriabin op11 prelude #2 and #14 (Re do #2, new #14)
5) kabalevsky Variations in A minor OP 40-2
Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: FarmGirl] #2248823
03/19/14 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FarmGirl

That angle is worse for me. I have fat arms. I would like to provide 100% coverage. Last time I saw a function of making the picture darker. But I could not find it any more in youtube setting. Anyway I will learn the skill by next time.


There's just no pleasing you is there...lol

I think you should just point the camera towards a frame on the wall of a pretty picture while you record yourself. Then, like you said, get some basic editing skills down for next time.

However, I have to say, and I think I speak for everyone here, we're not concerned with how you look, just that you're brave enough to present a performance of beautiful music so we can all enjoy. Please consider just being yourself, people tend to see what they want to see, but rarely ever look for what's best.


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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2248889
03/19/14 01:39 PM
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Only 13/40 submissions so far. There are less than 3 days left.

Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2248897
03/19/14 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JoelW
Only 13/40 submissions so far. There are less than 3 days left.

You should probably expect the majority of submissions to be submitted at the 11th hour. I'm sure everyone will understand if it takes you a couple of days to organize material prior to posting the full recital on line. grin


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Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW] #2248911
03/19/14 02:29 PM
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Carey,

Happy birthday!

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Everyone else,

The submissions are due at midnight on the 22nd, but I won't post anything until probably around noon. So if you must sneak your submission in late, you have 12 hours to do so.

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