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#2247587 - 03/16/14 06:00 PM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: Jason85]  
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The Avanguard could use a new sample set (or two); perhaps the CFX + Imperial. Yamaha could re-brand it as The Avanguard Imperial CFX "The best of all worlds." Well, technically it would be 'the best of two worlds;' but you get the point.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
The Avanguard could use a new sample set (or two); perhaps the CFX + Imperial. Yamaha could rebrand it as The Avanguard Imperial CFX "The best of all worlds." Well, technically it would be 'the best of two worlds;' but you get the point.

The NU1 does have the CFX sample. I don't think Yamaha include the NU1 in the AvantGrand brand though.

#2247593 - 03/16/14 06:10 PM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: Morodiene]  
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Seriously, though, seems like there are some Yamaha haters here.

Haters? Just being realistic I think. We want Yamaha to be all that they can be when it comes to DPs. They've been the gorilla in the room for what seems like forever with good products, but lately they've been floating on flowery market speak while Roland and Kawai eat their lunch.

#2247597 - 03/16/14 06:13 PM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: Morodiene]  
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
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It's not an Avanguard (or however this is spelled),


Ah yes, the avantguarde: for the slightly eccentric DP experience. cool

Seriously, though, seems like there are some Yamaha haters here. The Clavs have always been a good-quality Dp AFAIK, if a bit on the pricey side. If the price has come down and they've added a few things, all the better.


I am one of Yamaha's haters, but always written why.
MOstly the sustain and highs were problems, also their action... improved over the years since CLP120, but still, competition were years ahead. Sorry to hear, that only 585 is exceptional. They could make also the 575 the same good piano, but in a worse cabinet, as the Roland and Kawai did, but, it seems (if I am wrong, correct me plase) that only the 585 has the best new keyboard, and the rest do not have counterweights and whatever they did?

and - is the NWX action significantly better than previous one?
But for me the problem was always sound, which was completely unconvincing and even the 480 was not pleasant for me to play on.

Hopin to play on 575, whether they will complete with Roland and Kawai and fit into my taste.

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#2247598 - 03/16/14 06:16 PM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: Jason85]  
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And I heard third-hand that Yamaha does do 88-key sampling. Maybe it's their fault for not calling it such so that we can know for sure.


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I believe I read something to the extent of 'with the sound of each key captured individually'; or something like that; which implies that they did sample all 88 keys for the new Clp.

#2247603 - 03/16/14 06:35 PM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: Jason85]  
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While I do play other brands mostly I think Steve (EssBrace) above has a valid point when he says that many of the Yamaha boards just work very nicely in actual music making. This is true of the better stage pianos, and it is true for home instruments and practice pianos in the cheaper sector. Actually for pianos around 1K they are very strong contenders. And whatever one dislikes (with a reason), the GH action is one of the most solid piano actions in that price range. All their instruments are very solid and trouble-free at that.

Yamaha certainly isn't silly. Seeing that Kawai and Roland step up their offerings, they react, and I expect them to do just fine in the market.

PS. Still, I'd love to see your sound analysis of all these new boards, dewster. Have a go at the Kawai MP7/11, the new Clavinova sounds, and whatever else makes a fuzz in recent months.

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Originally Posted by maurus

PS. Still, I'd love to see your sound analysis of all these new boards, dewster. Have a go at the Kawai MP7/11, the new Clavinova sounds, and whatever else makes a fuzz in recent months.


Yeah I would like that to, but he has to have some recordings of these sounds first.


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#2247623 - 03/16/14 07:31 PM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: Morodiene]  
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
And I heard third-hand that Yamaha does do 88-key sampling.


Yes, I'm almost certain that the new Clavinova models feature 88-key sampling.

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#2247760 - 03/17/14 04:02 AM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: kapelli]  
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Originally Posted by kapelli
but, it seems (if I am wrong, correct me plase) that only the 585 has the best new keyboard, and the rest do not have counterweights and whatever they did?

and - is the NWX action significantly better than previous one?

1. You're correct, only the 585 has the new keyboard, and I think it's done because of marketing purposes. There is a significant difference in the keyboards of the 585 and the rest. Thus, they force us to buy the top model. If you don't like the idea, wait for another 3 years until they introduce the new keyboard to the second-best model, the 575 (or 674 or whatever it will be called then)

2. Short answer - no. At lease it is significantly worse than that of 585. If I were in the market of new Yamaha CLP I wouldn't get anything but the 585. It (buying a 575 or a lower model) would have been a waste of money.

#2247790 - 03/17/14 07:52 AM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Yes, I'm almost certain that the new Clavinova models feature 88-key sampling.

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They do, it's on the specs chart link

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#2252174 - 03/26/14 01:06 AM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: EssBrace]  
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
And also for the first time on any Yamaha DP, escapement simulation.


@EssBrace,

No, as you are not correct on two counts:

1) As I think you may have forgotten that the Clavinova CLP-990 (that I own) has escapement simulation and it is now a 13 year old model.

2) And, what about the AvantGrands with their "specialized grand piano actions" as you owned an N3 that had escapement simulation, right?

Question:

Why didn't Yamaha add escapement simulation to their later models, i.e., CLP-300/400 series, etc?

That's a big gap of time without having the feature - from the CLP-990 to the AvantGrands.

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Originally Posted by pv88
Originally Posted by EssBrace
And also for the first time on any Yamaha DP, escapement simulation.


@EssBrace,

No, as you are not correct on two counts:

1) As I think you may have forgotten that the Clavinova CLP-990 (that I own) has escapement simulation and it is now a 13 year old model.

2) And, what about the AvantGrands with their "specialized grand piano actions" as you owned an N3 that had escapement simulation, right?


Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990.

Personally I don't categorise the Avant Grand as a conventional "DP". And in any event they don't have "escapement simulation", because they have a real grand piano action.

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Originally Posted by EssBrace
... Kawai are all about key action and Roland all about sound engine. Yamaha got wrong-footed by the advances of the other two...


YAMAHA has always had the advantage of a very easy and nicely direct to handle user interface, while KAWAI and ROLAND are lost in sub menu structures and excessive need of [+] and [-] button pressing. Furthermore, YAMAHA (440/480) and KAWAI (CA65/95) action and basic sound of their piano tone are quite similar, only ROLAND (505/507) here differs notably. The only drawback of a YAMAHA against a KAWAI to me is the speaker system sounding a kind of distant. The YAMAHA key action on the 470 and its connectivity to the sound engine to me felt actually much better than the one of a CA65, when I could compare them side by side.

I guess I will never get why the KAWAIs are ranked so high here on the forum. Yes, they are excellent instruments, but I do not at all see them outstandig in comparison to the competitors, I see them just as an equivalent alternative.

For me it is a general decision between either ROLAND on the one side with a lighter action and warmer sound, and YAMAHA/KAWAI on the other side with harder action and brighter sound. If opting for the YAMAHA/KAWAI side, then decision making is really getting difficult, because differences are not huge within that group.

#2252230 - 03/26/14 06:27 AM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: EssBrace]  
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Personally I don't categorise the Avant Grand as a conventional "DP". And in any event they don't have "escapement simulation", because they have a real grand piano action.


Steve,

You are right on that detail, sorry for my error. As the Avant Grands have real grand piano actions as you say and therefore do not have "escapement simulation" like the CLP-990 does, or, other digitals.

Anyway, it appears that the CLP-990 may be the only Yamaha digital that ever had "escapement simulation" prior to the Avant Grands being released several years later.

Yamaha has not added this feature to any other digitals until now with the new Clavinova "500" series.

#2252233 - 03/26/14 06:32 AM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: EssBrace]  
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990.


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James (and, Steve) - thanks for the extra note of recognition although the true *accolade of honor* should probably be given to the piano (i.e., CLP-990) and not me!

I doubt anyone else has a remote interest in playing/owning a 13 year old instrument when there is always new stuff around the corner to be had. And, "new" items may be interesting and intriguing to ponder over but are usually not convincing enough to purchase.

#2252473 - 03/26/14 02:57 PM Re: New Yamaha CLP 500 Series Release May 2014 [Re: Jason85]  
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I feel I've finally made it. There's very little I could go on to achieve in life that could eclipse being quoted by your good self James. Maybe an OBE I suppose. Or the Freedom of the City of Norwich. Or a guest spot on North Norfolk Digital.

And yes Richard, the CLP-990 deserves its accolade as best Clavinova ever made.

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Originally Posted by Marco M

I guess I will never get why the KAWAIs are ranked so high here on the forum. Yes, they are excellent instruments, but I do not at all see them outstandig in comparison to the competitors, I see them just as an equivalent alternative.


For me its the action of the Kawais which I find are superior to the Yamaha GHx. They are both trying to simulate a real action but I think Kawai's design is a lot more successful.

This is subjective to a certain extent but I think this is the main reason why Kawai's are preferred. Really Yamaha has sat on the same action design for years and have done nothing to progress it forward despite now adding let-off simulation.

In its advertising Kawai has provided clear diagrams and demonstrations of their actions. Yamaha seems to keep the innards of its design a secret and only use sweet language to describe their actions. What do they have to hide?


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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Or a guest spot on North Norfolk Digital.


I expect I'm perhaps the only other person on PianoWorld to understand this reference.


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Originally Posted by Vid
In its advertising Kawai has provided clear diagrams and demonstrations of their actions. Yamaha seems to keep the innards of its design a secret and only use sweet language to describe their actions. What do they have to hide?


I don't think it's necessarily a case that Yamaha has anything to hide, but rather that Kawai has more to show.

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grin Avanguard peek-a-boo now you see now you don't is one example why I spend so much (too much) time on PW grin I should really be playing my home rig instead, it's not the worst grin


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Avanguard vs. AvantGrand! Now, that would be a nice topic for debate.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990.
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I have a CLA-250, yet no one seems to care.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
I have a CLA-250, yet no one seems to care.


So, you drive a CLA-250 Mercedes-Benz?

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Although, on a more serious note, the CL(P)-250 you have is indeed an old model and I am sure it is a very playable piano, also!

If you like it and it holds value for you - then it's a good digital.

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I meant the Mercedes; I had no idea that a CLP-250 existed. Though I must admit, I own neither. blush

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@Pete14,

Okay, not that it matters - however, I would prefer a piano.

If one has enough money in which to buy that car - as it lists at nearly $30K - would probably take the same amount and go find a nice acoustic grand, instead!

Other folks might want those fancy wheels. grin

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I think if you can buy such a car, the acoustic grand should not be a problem smile


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