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Bach's inventions: Complete
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Can anyone recommend a complete edition (name, publisher, perhaps ISBN) containing all of Bach's inventions? Or is there more than one book? Looking for a text(s) that allows easy page turning without bending/braking the text's spine, perhaps spiral-bound.

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I teach using the Henle Edition.


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+1 to the Henle.


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While I love Henle, I own the Alfred edition of this which is spiral bound. What is nice about it is that in light grey it offers suggestions on ornaments or it writes out notated ornaments, which is great for someone who may not be accustomed to Baroque ornamentation. It does make for a "messier" looking score, so perhaps better for reference as a companion to the Henle? Though not spiral-bound, Henle's binding is very durable and I've never had issues with cracking and splitting.


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For accuracy, quality, easy read & perfectly lays flat. They do have some ornament explanation in the comment section and preface.




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My old Henle edition of the Inventions/Sinfonias is holding up pretty well except for the cover page. You can't beat its clarity of print and paper quality. Kind of expensive, though.

However, for my students, I actually recommend the Alfred edition. It has more practical hints, editorial suggestions for articulations, historical insights, performance suggestions, and written-out realizations of ornaments that Henle lacks.

Both editions offer fingerings, but I usually end up changing most of them, anyway.


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Whatever you do, do not get the Alfred edition.


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I got the dover edition which reprints the Bach-Gesellschaft Ausgabe. It also included the sinfonias, partitas, english suites, french suites, and goldberg variations.

I can't compare it to the Henle since I don't have the Henle of that but it wasn't spiral bound. It was affordable however.


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Here it is.

http://www.amazon.com/Keyboard-Music-Dover-Piano/dp/0486223604

There's a few spiral bound editions on amazon but they're edited by Busoni and Czerny, so if you're ok with a lot of expression marks, that might be an option for you. The Gesselschaft edition provides a cleaner score.

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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Whatever you do, do not get the Alfred edition.
I'm not sure that's terribly helpful, unless you say why not. Especially as two other posters have said they use it - and explained their reasons.


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My reasons are exactly the same as theirs.


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Or you can print it off IMSLP and have it spiralbound at kinkos.


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
My reasons are exactly the same as theirs.

What's wrong with suggested realizations of ornaments?

Or historical insights and notes on performance practices?



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Bach wrote out ornaments sometimes. I don't know why. See prelude 10 book one well tempered clavier.


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My reasons are exactly the same as theirs.

What's wrong with suggested realizations of ornaments?

It's a substitute for doing your homework and figuring out the music yourself. Sometimes there is a reason why Bach didn't write out his ornaments, and it's not that he was lazy.

If students don't think Bach is worth their time, then they had better give all the music books away and take up a different hobby...


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My reasons are exactly the same as theirs.

What's wrong with suggested realizations of ornaments?

It's a substitute for doing your homework and figuring out the music yourself. Sometimes there is a reason why Bach didn't write out his ornaments, and it's not that he was lazy.

If students don't think Bach is worth their time, then they had better give all the music books away and take up a different hobby...

I see the suggested ornamentation as a starting point of discussion and teaching, rather than the definitive THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT answer to how to treat the ornaments.


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FYI he Alfred editions write out the ornaments in gray away from the main system, kind of like an ossia. I use them a lot and when I don't like the Alfred ornaments I just change it; no big deal.


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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
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My reasons are exactly the same as theirs.

What's wrong with suggested realizations of ornaments?

It's a substitute for doing your homework and figuring out the music yourself. Sometimes there is a reason why Bach didn't write out his ornaments, and it's not that he was lazy.

If students don't think Bach is worth their time, then they had better give all the music books away and take up a different hobby...

I see the suggested ornamentation as a starting point of discussion and teaching, rather than the definitive THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT answer to how to treat the ornaments.

So do I.

I'm in favor of having two very different editions for serious students, one that is quite "prescriptive" (making a lot of suggestions).

But isn't the real point here how WE, as teachers, USE these editions? We should also be pointing out why of the "answers" given are not the ONLY answers, and why other "answers" might be better.

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My reasons are exactly the same as theirs.

What's wrong with suggested realizations of ornaments?

It's a substitute for doing your homework and figuring out the music yourself. Sometimes there is a reason why Bach didn't write out his ornaments, and it's not that he was lazy.

If students don't think Bach is worth their time, then they had better give all the music books away and take up a different hobby...

I see the suggested ornamentation as a starting point of discussion and teaching, rather than the definitive THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT answer to how to treat the ornaments.

So do I.

I'm in favor of having two very different editions for serious students, one that is quite "prescriptive" (making a lot of suggestions).

But isn't the real point here how WE, as teachers, USE these editions? We should also be pointing out why of the "answers" given are not the ONLY answers, and why other "answers" might be better.


I can say that I use some of the Henle fingerings but I change a few so even Henle's suggestions are not the last word.


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If an unfingered Henle edition exists, I purchase that one; for example, in the case of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, there are two versions available, one with fingering and one without. If no such unfingered edition exists, I purchase whatever is available, but take no fingering for granted, except that of the composer - most composers write in fingering very infrequently, therefore when they do there is probably a good reason for it.


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