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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . .
peterws #2227845 02/08/14 10:04 AM
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Doremi, helium? But..but think of the wobble caused by banging the keys :shudders.

Interesting thread thanks, so in essence it is doable (if expensive with current generation of gear) so i will wait a year or two (by then i will be able to lug around the vpc1 far more easily than now smile ).

Digitalguy, yikes to pricey, "Hmm, Its time. I will go to the lottery, this time will be the lucky one i can feel it!" :shakes hand with enthusiasm. laugh


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . .
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Digitalguy, yikes to pricey, "Hmm, Its time. I will go to the lottery, this time will be the lucky one i can feel it!" :shakes hand with enthusiasm. laugh


If you want something cheaper but almost as good, buy an ipad air like I did (around $500), a small usb connection cable, and for $10 or $20 you can get a piano app like igrand which is almost as good as the best windows pianos and with a much better sound than pianoteq in my opinion. When my friends listen to me playing my roland supernatural and then playing igrand they all says it sounds better... (and they often prefer it to vintage D too..)


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . .
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It appears from the responses, if you lot get your way, that "Software" is to be part of the next hardware . . . .reading about the P225 that seems to be the case there what with APPs and all that . .Where Yamaha ventures, the rest will surely follow? Free ipad with the next updates?? Or built in . . .


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Originally Posted by peterws
It appears from the responses, if you lot get your way, that "Software" is to be part of the next hardware . . . .reading about the P225 that seems to be the case there what with APPs and all that . .Where Yamaha ventures, the rest will surely follow? Free ipad with the next updates?? Or built in . . .


Or simply the ability to control (otherwise annoying to control) parameters more easily from an outside device, be it Android or iOS. In the USA two-thirds of smartphones are Android or iOS, and for the last two years around 16% of all personal computing devices sold were iPads, so we're beyond the point where an instrument manufacturer would have to bundle a device with a digital piano for additional control. If you can afford a new DP, odds are you've got a smartphone or iPad, and if you don't you'll probably get one soon (and if not you cans still push-button your controls on the instrument itself).

WiFi or Bluetooth connectivity would be the next obvious step in DPs, and wireless MIDI & OSC between an iOS device and a Mac (don't know about PCs) has been around for a while now, as well as wireless controllers for iOS devices.

But given the slow speed of DP innovation we may not see something like this for years in new pianos.

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As with all things, product evolution follows patterns of demand.
How much demand is there for a phone- or tablet-controlled piano?

Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . .
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About as much demand as there is for easily setting controls on digital pianos, which people report works extremely well on the P255.

And using Roland's generic MIDI driver you can connect an iPad right now and use it with Garageband quite easily. [Youtube link] Or use it for feedback in musical instruction.


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Numbers?

I'm guessing that many thousands of people touch just 88 of the controls (plus the pedals and the power button) ... and seldom touch anything else. And those other things (principally voice selection) are easy enough as-is. So many people don't need extras.

For those who do ... all they need is some software. Most everything in the piano can be controlled by sending MIDI commands (over the MIDI in cable or over the USB cable). So there's no need for a new piano feature. You just need someone to create software that will run on your platform of choice. (Some simple stuff already exists. I presume that the complex stuff (DAW software) does this stuff, too?)

As for VST instruments ... the piano makers don't offer them, but there are plenty of instruments for the PC and Mac available elsewhere. I wonder whether they might soon be offered on tablets? The better ones are too big to fit into most of today's tablets and phones. But perhaps some of the smaller ones could. Are such yet available?

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As for VST instruments ... the piano makers don't offer them, but there are plenty of instruments for the PC and Mac available elsewhere. I wonder whether they might soon be offered on tablets? The better ones are too big to fit into most of today's tablets and phones. But perhaps some of the smaller ones could. Are such yet available?


You already have some very good piano software on IOS devices (in Android you also have some good apps but there are problems with midi control and especially with latency, while Apple devices have zero problems). And I doubt size will be a big issue, some of the best software for IOS manage to stick more than 1 GB of samples in less than 350 MB compressed lossless quality piano apps, via a sort of streaming mechanism. So 40 GB of samples could fit in less than 10 GB for instance. I do hope that software piano companies will start to develop also for IOS and not just for PC and MAC, although as I mentioned earlier you can already buy (more expensive) Windows tablets that can perfectly handle any software piano and could therefore simply reside on your piano...


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . .
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Numbers? I'm guessing that many thousands of people touch just 88 of the controls (plus the pedals and the power button) ... and seldom touch anything else.


I think many, many people seldom touch anything else because the manuals are bad and the controls are often push-button-x-times-plus-key cryptic.

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And those other things (principally voice selection) are easy enough as-is. So many people don't need extras.


Which is what people said about phones just a few years ago. Who needs cordless? Who needs cellphones? Who needs them to do anything but make calls? smile

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You just need someone to create software that will run on your platform of choice.


Like iOS. wink

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For slabs, put it decent amplification like the SP280. Come on. Don't make people hook them up to monitors if they don't want to.
Also, use SSD drives and put in multi gigabate samples. Enough with the MB sized samples this isn't the 90's.

Maybe add a detachable key cover to slabs like some of the consoles have. keep the things clean


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . .
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How can you put decent amplification in a slab? You might generate the power output. But is the SP280 THAT better sounding than a 6W per channel job? I`ve tried one; not the best sound is it?
Maybe Bose type speakers would do the job in the small space available. . That might be a good idea. Bose speakers for all DPs. . . by Act of Parliament.

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How can you put decent amplification in a slab? You might generate the power output. But is the SP280 THAT better sounding than a 6W per channel job? I`ve tried one; not the best sound is it?
Maybe Bose type speakers would do the job in the small space available. . That might be a good idea. Bose speakers for all DPs. . . by Act of Parliament.

Bose speakers? I thought we were discussing improving the sound!

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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
Bose speakers? I thought we were discussing improving the sound!

Ha ha! Yes, DPs are bad enough, please let's not get Bose involved.

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How can you put decent amplification in a slab? You might generate the power output. But is the SP280 THAT better sounding than a 6W per channel job? I`ve tried one; not the best sound is it?
Maybe Bose type speakers would do the job in the small space available. . That might be a good idea. Bose speakers for all DPs. . . by Act of Parliament.

Bose speakers? I thought we were discussing improving the sound!


Hang on; Ya tryin` to tell me things have improved since Bose speakers danced into our lives all those years ago? Doing away with back breaking speaker stacks in the process? When they came out, it was WOW!! They were real good. And so tiny . . and if they were good then, they`ll be pretty good now.

Won`t they?? confused


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When they came out, it was WOW!! They were real good. And so tiny . . and if they were good then, they`ll be pretty good now.

Won`t they?? confused

Bose is crap.

And while I'm here: there is no Easter Bunny.

[EDIT] Though I have to give Bose a bit of credit for putting cheesy drivers in some of the most unconventional enclosures imaginable and marginally pulling it off as it were.

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I'd like a slab digital piano with the newest all wood grand piano action,
Large display, and many, many gig.s memory to operate high quality piano sounds.
No limitations on price, weight , etc. let's see it all (no workstation talk.)
(Like a built in muse receptor) I'd also like the grass seed companies to
offer a liquid spray solution to stunt the growth of grass (they can display this
product next to their fertilizer),so I can only cut the lawn twice a season. Seems like
a similar comparison of conflicts in business interests.

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Originally Posted by Gumbysgroove
I'd like a slab digital piano with the newest all wood grand piano action,
Large display, and many, many gig.s memory to operate high quality piano sounds.
No limitations on price, weight , etc. let's see it all (no workstation talk.)
(Like a built in muse receptor) I'd also like the grass seed companies to
offer a liquid spray solution to stunt the growth of grass (they can display this
product next to their fertilizer),so I can only cut the lawn twice a season. Seems like
a similar comparison of conflicts in business interests.


Well, the piano will take up to 2 minutes to boot up! Try a Roland HP507. that takes ages. My own piano doesn`t have an on/off switch, only one that puts it on standby. So it doesn`t take too long to come on . . .

They tell me artificial grass has less maintenance considerations than the real thing; AND without looping . .


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