2022 our 25th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Who's Online Now
66 members (anotherscott, Bellyman, Carey, brennbaer, busa, ChickenBrother, Barly, 1957, 10 invisible), 2,048 guests, and 308 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 26,905
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 26,905
Originally Posted by Skryabyn
[...]Oddly you will find that ascending scales are easier with both hands, not just the right hand. That is because your mind thinks of higher notes as lighter. It's helpful to trick your mind into thinking you are ascending even when you are descending, to keep the lightness you're looking for.


An antidote to that phenomenon is to start ascending scales p and move to f ; then descend from f to p .

Then do the reverse : ascend from f to p ; descend from p to f

Regards,


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 990
A
Atrys Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
OP Offline
500 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 990
Originally Posted by bennevis

avoidance of excessive wrist movement/rotation (which slows things down)

It's interesting to see the different schools of thought around this. The last recital I went to, the pianist had a very rigid, fixed wrist, yet his RH ascensions were brilliantly played at incredible speeds. On the other hand, I've seen similar results with the "wrist circle" idea. I'm thinking the separation is either using the fine muscles of the hand vs utilizing the transfer of kinetic energy of the arm.

I've found in the last couple days that I'm able to "squeeze" out another ~12-15 BPM if I bring my elbows outwards a little bit.


"A good intention but fixed and resolute - bent on high and holy ends, we shall find means to them on every side and at every moment; and even obstacles and opposition will but make us 'like the fabled specter-ships,' which sail the fastest in the very teeth of the wind."
R. W. Emerson
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 3,543
P
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
P
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 3,543
Originally Posted by Atrys
Originally Posted by bennevis

avoidance of excessive wrist movement/rotation (which slows things down)

It's interesting to see the different schools of thought around this. The last recital I went to, the pianist had a very rigid, fixed wrist, yet his RH ascensions were brilliantly played at incredible speeds. On the other hand, I've seen similar results with the "wrist circle" idea.


Wrist movement mainly becomes important with octaves. With single-note scales you can get away with nearly any wrist movement strategy.


Poetry is rhythm
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 96
P
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
P
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 96
Originally Posted by phantomFive
Originally Posted by Atrys
Originally Posted by bennevis

avoidance of excessive wrist movement/rotation (which slows things down)

It's interesting to see the different schools of thought around this. The last recital I went to, the pianist had a very rigid, fixed wrist, yet his RH ascensions were brilliantly played at incredible speeds. On the other hand, I've seen similar results with the "wrist circle" idea.


Wrist movement mainly becomes important with octaves. With single-note scales you can get away with nearly any wrist movement strategy.


Definitely not what my (great) teacher would say.
Having the arms "hanging" relaxed from the back and being able to articulate clearly and with a lot of sound, a lot of pressure each notes is what she's teaching to me. I used to play with a rather fixed wrist... well :
1) you can't really play loud
2) the sound isn't great
3) it hurts (if it's not now, it'll be later)
Of course a supple wirst does not mean you do not need a terrific finger technique. You need both, they're complementary !


About scales, the method of speeding up with relatively large increments and then goind back to (sometimes very) slow to "clean" works very well for me. After a while my mind has gotten used to it and it's a very efficient way to work - moreover it forces you to concentrates, you can never really play mechanically doing that.
Speaking of that, do not forget the ears.
The ears are ultimately what will decide between a sloppy scale and perfect one with a good articulation and a good sound. It's never productive to be strictly mechanical. IMHO it's good to always remember that, at least it is for me.

For instance, listening to the left hand better in a scale can solve coordination problems. etc.

Last edited by Praeludium; 02/12/14 05:04 PM.
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 990
A
Atrys Offline OP
500 Post Club Member
OP Offline
500 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 990
Originally Posted by Praeludium

I used to play with a rather fixed wrist... well :
1) you can't really play loud
2) the sound isn't great
3) it hurts (if it's not now, it'll be later)

I don't know about that. There are plenty of pianists that make it work for them! It's just a different approach. It works for some, but not for others.

Originally Posted by Praeludium

Speaking of that, do not forget the ears.

A few months ago my teacher (at the time) was teaching me to really listen (the usual prescription). Boy how much that changes things! Not only in playing, but also when listening to music in general. "Turning on" my ears during scale practice helps tremendously. Not only has it helped even them out and make them more fleeting, but I'm able to perceive the sounds much quicker as well. Reminds me of a post someone else made in these forums...something about not being able to hear fast enough to play quick passages.


"A good intention but fixed and resolute - bent on high and holy ends, we shall find means to them on every side and at every moment; and even obstacles and opposition will but make us 'like the fabled specter-ships,' which sail the fastest in the very teeth of the wind."
R. W. Emerson
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Brendan, platuser 

Link Copied to Clipboard
What's Hot!!
Piano World Has Been Sold!
--------------------
Forums RULES, Terms of Service & HELP
(updated 06/06/2022)
---------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
(ad)
(ad)
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Very Cheap Piano?
by Tweedpipe - 04/16/24 10:13 AM
Country style lessons
by Stephen_James - 04/16/24 06:04 AM
How Much to Sell For?
by TexasMom1 - 04/15/24 10:23 PM
Song lyrics have become simpler and more repetitive
by FrankCox - 04/15/24 07:42 PM
New bass strings sound tubby
by Emery Wang - 04/15/24 06:54 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums43
Topics223,387
Posts3,349,212
Members111,632
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010

Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations |

Advertise on Piano World
| Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map


Copyright © VerticalScope Inc. All Rights Reserved.
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community.