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What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . #2226770
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Couple of years down the line, what would you hope to see? From our esteemed DP manufacturers . . . .Who know? You might get what you ask for . . grin


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: peterws] #2226832
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SW piano sounding as real one


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: peterws] #2226858
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I'd like to see something way beyond an "upgrade". Processor technology has moved on by leaps and bounds, DPs barely if at all. Put a $45 BeagleBone Black in a box with a cheap 2 line LCD, a couple of rotary encoders, some good keys, and it's game over. Make it open source so the free SW movement can do what DP manufacturers seem neither willing nor able to do. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

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I'd like to see a built in clock display in all keyboards.



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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: peterws] #2226887
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I'd just want better sound.

The keyboard actions are okay.
The feature sets are okay.
Just give us better piano sound.

Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: peterws] #2226891
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I think they should integrate the software pianos, maybe have a Mac mini onboard or something so that you could upgrade the sounds or use different ones as they are available, do without the hassle of hooking up to a laptop, USB sticks, etc.


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: MacMacMac] #2226898
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'd just want better sound.

The keyboard actions are okay.
The feature sets are okay.
Just give us better piano sound.


to amplify that and tie in Dewster's thoughts about the incredible lack of progress over the years with the software in these boards, i think if i will soon be able to load a software piano of Ivory II's or vintage D quality onto a thin but powerful tablet and route it by USB into a keyboard controller and also route it out into speakers and play it without major latency issues... i will pretty much be done with digital pianos and focus solely on VPC1 type controllers. I am so incredibly unimpressed with the movement forward with this last batch of boards that have come out that i pretty much give up. there have been some nice gains in the low end/ sub $1000 market, but above that seems to be treading water, other than some mfers using cheaper materials to lessen the board's weight.

don't think we are there yet. i guess i would still need a decent interface/sound card in between the tablet and the speakers. or maybe not. but if i could get this done with one thin tablet and two cables that would convince me to keep the software removed from the hardware.


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: peterws] #2227011
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I would like a combination of a real piano action with a midi controller. I'm thinking an Avant Grand (N series, not NU1) minus its sound engine with optimized velocity curves like the VPC1. I guess it would mainly just be a box with the real action but no sound system.

I hope Pianoteq keeps on improving on what they're doing and who knows? Maybe something else will come on the market to provide some competition on the modelling side?


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: dewster] #2227018
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Originally Posted by dewster
I'd like to see something way beyond an "upgrade". Processor technology has moved on by leaps and bounds, DPs barely if at all. Put a $45 BeagleBone Black in a box with a cheap 2 line LCD, a couple of rotary encoders, some good keys, and it's game over. Make it open source so the free SW movement can do what DP manufacturers seem neither willing nor able to do. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

I know you (and others) think it can be done with minimal hardware, but I think it's interesting that the Kronos, which is Linux based, still needs a lot more hardware than that in order to do what it does. (Admittedly, it does a lot more than piano.)

There are plenty of free piano samples around (even if not of the highest quality), and MIDI I/O is pretty simple as far as programming goes... I would love to see someone do a "proof of concept" and see if they could get something like a BeagleBone to smoothly stream a multi-gigabyte piano sample (i.e. as WAV files) using MIDI keyboard input.

But anyway, back to the OP's question...

I would like to see Kawai put their MP10 sounds in a lightweight board.

I would like to see Fatar (or some other OEM spplier) make a lightweight action that feels better than the TP100, so boards like the Nord HP and Kurzweil Artis could have better actions.

I'd like companies to put MIDI controller functions and speakers into the same models. Yamaha, Casio, and Roland all make boards that have speakers, and other similar boards that have lots of MIDI control functions, but no boards that have both.)

Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: peterws] #2227020
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Have more expensive pianos got anything like "Sound Surround"? Going through the current crop, none seem to exhibit this in default . . . Love to see that, but stereo of a sort seems as far as it goes.


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: peterws] #2227054
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Looking at all the above responses and wish lists, I would say something like the following would have great appeal:

A keyboard similar to the Yamaha CP-300 with great MIDI capabilities and built-in speakers,
great action,
1/4" and XLR stereo/mono output for connecting to varying outboard amps/sound systems/recording consoles
USB connectivity - in & out
Internal hard drive/flash drive that can be loaded with your favorite software piano (think Receptor)
with zero latency

Monitor output like the old Roland S-550 sampler had

A good arsenal of onboard tweakable sounds also - EP's, Organs, Brass, Woodwinds, Synths, Bass, etc..

Lightweight - under 40 lbs.

Available piano-type furniture grade enclosure for the home enthusiast, with color options


Am I missing anything?

Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: peterws] #2227059
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- Some slabs to be available as a 76 key, A-at-bottom version (like the now defunct VAX77, but don't let that stop you)

- Integrated USB/Firewire/etc audio interfaces with high quality onboard headphone amp

- A standalone tri-pedal unit for the Casio range. :P

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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: peterws] #2227061
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A controller like the VPC1 but with a dock port for either Android or iOS devices. Then some better software synths, pianos and organs on Android and iOS. PC's with Windows are so yesterday for this. Not sure where to put Linux but that platform does not seem to be leading in this area AFAIK.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
I would like to see Fatar (or some other OEM spplier) make a lightweight action that feels better than the TP100, so boards like the Nord HP and Kurzweil Artis could have better actions.


+100!

That, and a Nord Piano with 88 keys and a much better action of the substantial kind. If only Kawai and Clavia would strike a deal, putting Kawai's action (RM3-II or GF) together with Clavia's sound engine and interface.

Just as anotherscott I am hesitant concerning the idea of simply putting a PC into a DP running software pianos; I think hardware integration is quite a task here if you want a latency free, high quality audio output. Way to go, and not exactly cheap.


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Originally Posted by maurus
Just as anotherscott I am hesitant concerning the idea of simply putting a PC into a DP running software pianos; I think hardware integration is quite a task here if you want a latency free, high quality audio output.

and rock solid reliability.

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I, too, have pretty much given up on onboard sounds. The final straw was the CP4. I hate using PCs, particularly for live work, but at least I'll no longer be forking out thousands for each minuscule upgrade, hoping that the manufacturers have at last entered the 21st century.


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: peterws] #2227096
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Would like to see Kawai keyboards produced to fit seamlessly with the pianos of other manufacturers . . .WHAT an opportunity for Kawai!! Come on, James - Make it happen . . .


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Re: What you`d like to see on the next upgrades . . . [Re: spanishbuddha] #2227110
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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
Then some better software synths, pianos and organs on Android and iOS. PC's with Windows are so yesterday for this. Not sure where to put Linux but that platform does not seem to be leading in this area AFAIK.

Android is based on the Linux kernel.</pedantic>

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Unfortunately, Android is still not suitable for these kinds of real-time audio applications.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d3kfEeMZ65c

IOS has some great stuff, and nice advantages over a laptop in ergonomics (touchscreen, flat form factor, small and feather-light) but still doesn't have near the total performance capabilities of, say, a Macbook.

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Originally Posted by peterws
Would like to see Kawai keyboards produced to fit seamlessly with the pianos of other manufacturers . . .WHAT an opportunity for Kawai!! Come on, James - Make it happen . . .


www.kawaivpc.com + MIDI cable = problem solved. wink


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