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#2223260 - 01/30/14 06:34 PM Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago  
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For the past several months I've been questing for a seven- to nine-foot "piano to die for" (new or used) in the greater Chicago area. I've spent the past 40 years playing mostly NY S&S Bs and Ds, which have thus figured prominently in my current search. That said, the comments on this forum convinced me to cast my net a little wider and I've looked at some remarkable non-Astorian pianos. Too many to catalog here, and no slight to the other makes I've seen, but I have to comment that I recently played for the first time both a Steingraeber C-212 and a Bösendorfer 225. What remarkable pianos. Thanks for the tips and keep 'em coming.

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#2223268 - 01/30/14 07:00 PM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: iLaw]  
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If they haven't sold it yet, Pianoforte has an F212 that is stunning as well. If I recall correctly, it's voiced warmer than the typical Fazioli sound, and benefits greatly. They've also got an F278 and a Schimmel concert grand for quite a steal, comparatively speaking.

Pianoforte in general is a must visit if you're in the market for a large grand. They take excellent care of their pianos, too.

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#2223275 - 01/30/14 07:29 PM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: adamp88]  
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Yes, I played the F212; the F278 was temporarily unavailable (a recital going on upstairs). The salesman also told me that they had just received a Shigeru (SK-7 I believe), but it wasn't even uncrated yet, so I have to get back down to PianoForte. Perhaps this Saturday.

The Schimmel is gone, I suspect. I specifically asked to look at a Schimmel (I'd especially like to try a K219 and K230), but he told me they had none in stock.

Larry.

#2223284 - 01/30/14 07:57 PM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: iLaw]  
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It's impossible to give advice on hot 7' grands available in Chicago right now.

Unless one is there and tries each one of them...

Recommending some of the top makes and aim at those would make sense. The easy way out....ha

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#2223292 - 01/30/14 08:15 PM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: iLaw]  
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I have a deep love the the Bösie 225. 3hearts

A few more suggestions...

Grotrian 225
Estonia L225
Seiler SE-242
Blüthner model 2
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Steinway C (if you can find one)
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#2223301 - 01/30/14 08:38 PM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: iLaw]  
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Here's a 1961 NY D for $59K

http://livingpianos.com/pianos/steinway-concert-grand-piano-model-d-370730/

It's out here in LA, but may be worth shipping. The same company just sold a 1935 Baldwin 9 Ft. for under $20K.

Used concert grands may be few and far between, but bear in mind that buyers like you are fewer and farther between. So, give it time, and let all the local dealers know what you're looking for. They'll call you the instant something good comes in.


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#2223304 - 01/30/14 08:42 PM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: iLaw]  
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Have you given a call to Farley's Pianos up in Madison, WI?

Tim does truly fine rebuilding and you might ask what he has on the floor.


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So, give it time, and let all the local dealers know what you're looking for. They'll call you the instant something good comes in.

That is good advice.


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#2223386 - 01/31/14 12:08 AM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: phantomFive]  
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If you look as far afield as Madison, WI, I would most certainly consult Mr. Reeder in Lansing, MI. He almost always has a concert grand and other large grands, and they are all well prepped.

There is an easy train connection.

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Originally Posted by iLaw
For the past several months I've been questing for a seven- to nine-foot "piano to die for" (new or used) in the greater Chicago area. I've spent the past 40 years playing mostly NY S&S Bs and Ds, which have thus figured prominently in my current search. That said, the comments on this forum convinced me to cast my net a little wider and I've looked at some remarkable non-Astorian pianos. Too many to catalog here, and no slight to the other makes I've seen, but I have to comment that I recently played for the first time both a Steingraeber C-212 and a Bösendorfer 225. What remarkable pianos. Thanks for the tips and keep 'em coming.

Larry.


Try the Steingraeber D-232 if you can. Both it and the 212 are amazing instruments, but they are different.


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#2223516 - 01/31/14 10:06 AM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: Karl Watson]  
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Originally Posted by Karl Watson
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If you look as far afield as Madison, WI, I would most certainly consult Mr. Reeder in Lansing, MI. He almost always has a concert grand and other large grands, and they are all well prepped.

There is an easy train connection.

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I was going to suggest Reeder's, also.


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#2223532 - 01/31/14 10:37 AM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: PianoWorksATL]  
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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL

A few more suggestions...

Grotrian 225
Estonia L225
Seiler SE-242
Blüthner model 2
Sauter 220 Omega
Steinway C (if you can find one)
Mason & Hamlin BB



Lots of good ideas there.

PianoForte showed me the Grotrian 208 (Charis) but unfortunately they did not have a 225, which is definitely on my list.

The Mason & Hamlin dealer had lots of smaller M&Hs, new and used, but no BB. He said the holiday season cleaned him out of larger pianos (I guess the economy is looking up on Chicago's north side!).

Seiler, Blüthner, Sauter so far are nowhere to be found.

Larry.

#2223534 - 01/31/14 10:51 AM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: iLaw]  
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Big fan of the Grotrian 225 so glad that is on your list. The C.Bechstein 234 I recommend should be as well. Good luck.

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#2223556 - 01/31/14 11:21 AM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: iLaw]  
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I suggest you try them all because a piano you would die for is not necessarily one I or anyone else would die for. I do know that Allegro Pianos in CT has a Bosie Imperial, a Blutnner concert grand and a used NY S&S concert grand with new action parts in stock. All three are good representatives of these models. Call Ori if you are wiling to travel.

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PS. Rich of Cunningham's in Phily most probably has a BB or two.

#2223564 - 01/31/14 11:32 AM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: iLaw]  
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Boy Larry, I'm so jealous! wink Those piano's are drop dead gorgeous, esp, the Steingraeber D-232! I can only imagine how it sounds! Good Luck in your quest wink
I live also in Chicago's N. side and surprising to hear the market got sold out of larger pianos, really surprising. I don't see much impr. of the economy with the number of closed businesses.

I just started playing, and sure wish I had the funds to buy a grand piano. I've played several and they, imo, are much more emotionally connecting to the music. Something about an acoustic piano vs a dp. No comparison.

Anyway, I just wanted to wish you luck Larry.
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#2223568 - 01/31/14 11:38 AM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: LJC]  
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Originally Posted by LJC

PS. Rich of Cunningham's in Phily most probably has a BB or two.


I was told here in Chicago that the Milwaukee M&H dealer had a BB as well, but the only Milwaukee dealer I can find on the internet appears to be Hartland, which does not list a BB in stock on its web page.

Which reminds me, dealers. I'm occasionally encountering some fairly 20th Century web presence out there!

Larry.

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Sometimes I've found it helpful to call the phone numbers for the US distributors (we list 'em in the Piano Buyer) and ask who has what. When I've written or coordinated reviews in the past, they often know what the dealer inventories are related to their brands - at least the "new" inventory.

I'm pretty sure Hartland is the M&H dealer for the Milwaukee area. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


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#2223577 - 01/31/14 11:50 AM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: iLaw]  
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Hi Larry,

I don't know anything about this dealer, but it might be worth contacting them.

http://www.americanmusicworld.com/product/Mason%20and%20Hamlin%207%20Ebony%20Satin


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#2223579 - 01/31/14 11:52 AM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: Chrisl]  
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Originally Posted by Chrisl

... esp, the Steingraeber D-232! I can only imagine how it sounds!


Chris,

No need to imagine. If you're on Chicago's north side you're within walking distance of one. Dust off your playing before you go, though, because they have it up on a stage so you may get an audience.

Thanks for the good wishes, and hang on to that digital. You'll want it for late-night practicing or when everybody else in the house is watching the Super Bowl.

Larry.

#2223584 - 01/31/14 12:03 PM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: Norbert]  
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Originally Posted by Norbert

It's impossible to give advice ... Unless one is there and tries each one of them ...


I think you're on to my search strategy!

Larry.

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... esp, the Steingraeber D-232! I can only imagine how it sounds!


Chris,

No need to imagine. If you're on Chicago's north side you're within walking distance of one. Dust off your playing before you go, though, because they have it up on a stage so you may get an audience.

Thanks for the good wishes, and hang on to that digital. You'll want it for late-night practicing or when everybody else in the house is watching the Super Bowl.

Larry.


I looked around, and you're right, Skokie is darn close. I'll def. head up there just to have a listen, I just can't help myself. Thanks for the info!

Good idea on keeping the 105, it would be great to use at night so I wouldn't wake up the family wink

Please post a pic when you get the piano?

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Originally Posted by iLaw
Originally Posted by LJC

PS. Rich of Cunningham's in Phily most probably has a BB or two.


I was told here in Chicago that the Milwaukee M&H dealer had a BB as well, but the only Milwaukee dealer I can find on the internet appears to be Hartland, which does not list a BB in stock on its web page.

Which reminds me, dealers. I'm occasionally encountering some fairly 20th Century web presence out there!

Larry.


It varies, but the website inventory lists for some dealers bear at most a fleeting resemblance to their actual stock.

Calling them is the best approach.



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Hi Larry,

I don't know anything about this dealer, but it might be worth contacting them.

http://www.americanmusicworld.com/product/Mason%20and%20Hamlin%207%20Ebony%20Satin


IMO,the best places in Chicago to buy a high-end piano are (in no particular order): Steinway Gallery, PianoForte, and Grand Piano Haus. I'll just leave it at that....

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Originally Posted by ClsscLib


It varies, but the website inventory lists for some dealers bear at most a fleeting resemblance to their actual stock.

Calling them is the best approach.




I resemble that remark. Gotta update the inventory.........gotta update the inventory............



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Check Reeder Pianos in Lansing, MI. There was a rebuilt 9 ft Chickering there a couple months ago. It had the longest sustaining fundamental I have ever heard. A piano for melody.


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#2223707 - 01/31/14 04:29 PM Re: Searching for a 7'-9' "piano to die for" in Chicago [Re: ClsscLib]  
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Originally Posted by ClsscLib

It varies, but the website inventory lists for some dealers bear at most a fleeting resemblance to their actual stock.


True. Where inventory lists exist at all (and many do not), my experience has run from up-to-the-day accuracy to months-out-of-date inaccuracy.

One of my favorite internet search experiences so far has been a dealer that not only has its piano inventory on its website, but apparently allows me, with a mouse click, to put the piano of my choice into the on-line shopping cart so that presumably I can pay for it with a credit card and have UPS deliver it next week! Amazon convenience brought to world-class pianos.

Larry.

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Originally Posted by Davepost

Check Reeder Pianos in Lansing, MI. There was a rebuilt 9 ft Chickering there a couple months ago. It had the longest sustaining fundamental I have ever heard. A piano for melody.


Yes, you're now the third recommendation for Reeder Pianos and, earlier today, I went to their website and was very impressed. A used Blüthner 2! Haven't seen one of those in Chicago. And the Chickering you're describing sounds like the 1921 instrument they show as still available.

Four hours to Lansing. Hmmnn ......

Larry.

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After Jim gets done prepping his Bluthners or the rebuilds, they play themselves. I am going to have my 9 ft 4 Conover rebuilt by Reeder. They are closed Saturdays but open Sundays. Call ahead.
This Conover was at the CSO long ago, now in my home.


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Hi Larry,

I don't know anything about this dealer, but it might be worth contacting them.

http://www.americanmusicworld.com/product/Mason%20and%20Hamlin%207%20Ebony%20Satin


IMO,the best places in Chicago to buy a high-end piano are (in no particular order): Steinway Gallery, PianoForte, and Grand Piano Haus. I'll just leave it at that....

You left out Piano Renaissance. Larry mentioned "new or used."

The piano I mentioned was a used M&H-BB. It's worth checking out.


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