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favorite arranger keyboard #2220671
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hi guys and gals,

I am wanting to get what I guess is called an arranger keyboard.
that is to say, a keyboard that has the automatic accompaniment feature.
my Yamaha dgx-505 is pretty cool. but I am wondering if the technology has advanced since 10 years ago, when it was new.
what I am looking for has better piano and instrument sounds.
I would prefer full size weighted keys.
it must be minimum 76 keys.
I'm really looking for anyone's thoughts on the best bang for my buck.
I am getting a Kawai CA 65. so I'm covered for pure piano sound.
but it has no automatic accompaniment.
I am asking please for anyone's thoughts on what they consider to be a slamming good deal in this type of instrument.
thanks,
Chas

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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2220741
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Check out the PX-350. I don't know how good it is, compared to the other contenders. But it _does_ have rhythms, and full-band accompaniment patterns, and auto-chording (four or five different types), and auto-harmony. Some of that is editable, some is not.

So it could serve as a standard of comparison.

. Charles

PS -- I own a PX-350.


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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: Charles Cohen] #2220753
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awesome. thank you so much.
thought when I started searching for a DP, that I would find one that have (and do), everything I wanted it to.
wrong.
trade-offs abound.
thus, even though I am spending a small fortune on a DP (which I very much expect to look back on, as having been some of the best spent money I've ever spent), it has no auto accompaniment.
have read a bit.
am now also thinking of checking out band in a box.
thank you again very much for your excellent reply.
just having a look at the px 780. must check out on youtube.
would you please tell me if these have full size keys?

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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2220834
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. . . would you please tell me if these have full size keys?


All the Casio PX-x50 and PX-x80 DP's (the "current generation") share the same keyboard mechanism. Yes, they're "full-size" keys -- full length, full width, fully weighted. And they play pretty well.

They have a shorter distance from the end of the key to the pivot than acoustic pianos. There's a long discussion of this in the "Digital Pianos under $1000" sticky thread. Most of us learn to live with it.

. Charles

PS -- I think the PX-780 is a PX-350, in a cabinet, with upgraded amps and loudspeakers. It supports "General MIDI", which (I think!) is what you need to play back "Band in a Box" and similar software.

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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2220880
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I think you are definitely referring to CVP Yamaha series. Take a look to CVP 609!


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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2220935
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Are you looking for something that has programming and recording capabilities, or more for live gigging? A workstation like the moxf6 would cover all the bases, but might be overkill for gigging.


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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2220973
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thank you so much to all who replied.
roger that about the Casio keys. thank you again.

the CVP 609 looks amazing. but out of my price range.

the Motif looks pretty darn amazing.
have been watching videos about it, and reading.
I would not use this for gigging.
just for home use.
I do want one of these.
I see they make them in 61, 76 and 88 keys versions.
am a little concerned about the age of the technology in this unit.
have read that it is very similar, nearly identical, to the previous series, the XS series. does that not give you pause?
also any comments about how the auto accompaniment styles sound?
hopefully they have one in stock at GC,
and I'll go and try it for myself.
but I'm just wondering if you, or anyone, would please comment more for me, about the Motif XF?
edit: back from GC.
played Yamaha MOFX8 (per sales guys recommendation).
then I played the XF8.
I like the XF8 keyboard alot. and a couple sounds (sax, piano, trumpet, strings), and preset accompaniments.
I like them enough to buy it for them alone, if I can figure out if it will do what I want it to.
bit of a learning curve on this machine.
need to read the manual a bit (just downloaded the owners and reference manual), to see if I can easily make it do what I want to do.
which is, change auto accompaniment, and/or change voices in a simple manner.
(like I can on my DGX-505.)

any help super appreciated. (I am slogging through and slowly making headway, through the manuals. would be so much easier if I had a Motif XF8 here, so I could do it hands on.)

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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2221104
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The MOXF and Motif XF don't use auto accompaniment like the Yamaha CVP & PSR series.
They use Arpeggiators.


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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: Phlox] #2221132
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Originally Posted by Phlox
The MOXF and Motif XF don't use auto accompaniment like the Yamaha CVP & PSR series.
They use Arpeggiators.


Good point. I still sometimes miss my PSR-540 because arranger keyboards are great for very quickly sketching out musical ideas. If nothing else, the auto accompaniment can serve as a placeholder until you get around to working out those parts more fully and precisely.


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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2221243
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1. Yamaha just came out with the Tyros 5 with a 76 key model. It's the latest and greatest from Yammy but pricey ($5.5k at Sweetwater). Their middle of the line models (1 to 2k bucks) are very good but only have 61 keys. I don't know anything about other arranger brands.

2. Band in a Box doesn't have chord recognition so it's restricted to programmed chord progressions. One Band Band (OMB web page) does have chord recognition so any kb with midi out could be used with it to emulate an arranger kb.

I have both programs but only used BIAB extensively since I have a stand alone arranger. I think packing a PC is too unhandy for gig use but I guess some manage it.

Good luck!


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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2221277
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Thank you so much for your very helpful comments.
anybody have any thoughts about the Yamaha PSR-S950?
wondering things like, how's the keyboard, voices sounds and auto accompaniment style quality?

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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2221349
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The PSR-S950 sounds great, but the keyboard is not so nice. (putting it mild smile )


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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2221362
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thanks so much. I watched videos. yeah.
am thinking again about the Motif XF8. wow. that might be really cool, once I learn how to use it.
any thoughts about that One Man Band program mentioned a few posts back?

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I think (opinion) the keyboard of the PSR-S950 is not nice.

But maybe you think it's OK. Maybe you can try it at the shop.
Maybe you like it.


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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2221399
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not interested in the PSR-S90.
very interested in the Motif XF8. getting prices.
do you have any thoughts about the One Man Band program:
http://www.1manband.nl/omb.htm

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Never did anything with OMB.

But the arpeggiators in the MOXF and Motif XF do a good job.
You can have 4 at the same time. So 1st drums, 2nd Guitar etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v8s1pyZ-2Q

There are almost 8000 Arps in these Boards. And a ton of Sounds.


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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2221437
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wondering how hard it is to have the XF8 work as a one man band backing auto accompaniment thing.
called yamaha. they are going to have tech support call me back.
when I would play a performance (thats what they call the pre-set auto accompaniment choices), if I tried to change the voice, the auto accompaniment stops. it wouldn't let me do it.
that said, the quality of the auto accompaniment and the voice, on the "tenor to the max" pre-set was so good, that I am not giving up on this just yet.
I noticed in a user review that the XF8 only has 128 MB of internal RAM, making it a necessity to get the expanded flash board gizmos.

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Re: favorite arranger keyboard [Re: minstrelman] #2221572
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By arranger keyboard standards the PSR-950 keybed is quite good.

It's a very light resistance but has more resistance than cheaper PSR's. The key travel is smooth, quite shallow with a soft bottom. Very easy and nice to play but it's a long long way from a weighted piano feel.

If you wish to capture any kind of nuance of piano playing then you simply need a proper piano or digital piano.

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welcome to the forum.
thank you so much for your generous informative post.

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If you want arranger keyboard, look into the Yamaha PSR-650/950 or Tyros 4/5 series. This allows you to have full and professional backing tracks that you can compose on. Yamaha XF/MOX series are workstations that you make your backing tracks from scratch or if you are into making custom voices. I don't think this is what you are looking for. You can get a used Tyros 4 for about 2500.00 USD and brand new Tyros 5 for 3400.00. There are two US dealers that sell these much cheaper than from SW or MF. DP


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