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#2275861 - 05/14/14 06:54 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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Prices of USED software are VERY negotiable, so I think it would be interesting to post both asking and paid prices.

It is a little ODD that "used" software depreciates so rapidly, although it doesn't "wear out" in the same way that hardware does.
Sure, it tends towards obsolescence, but in many/most cases it is upgradable to the latest and (alleged) greatest version, often at low/no cost.

The bloom appears to have gone off this particular rose anyway, so I would expect a December sale of the intro pre-release price, or $99.xx

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#2275871 - 05/14/14 07:37 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: R_B]  
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Originally Posted by R_B
Prices of USED software are VERY negotiable, so I think it would be interesting to post both asking and paid prices.

It is a little ODD that "used" software depreciates so rapidly, although it doesn't "wear out" in the same way that hardware does.
Sure, it tends towards obsolescence, but in many/most cases it is upgradable to the latest and (alleged) greatest version, often at low/no cost.
I'm not aware of any sold prices for 2nd user software. RC has had a mixed reception so maybe that fact alone will exert downward pressure on the resale price.

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The bloom appears to have gone off this particular rose anyway, so I would expect a December sale of the intro pre-release price, or $99.xx
I'm not so sure if it's broadly lost its favour or we've just gone quiet on it. I've been using it for the last few days and I'm still taken by it, particularly the 'close' setting only - I can't find a use for the other mic options. I've no idea what the real RC sounds like but its sample library is particularly consistent and convincing as a piano - even if not everyone is convinced by its timbre.

Yes, I can see deals coming up again. Maybe this is the advantage of dealing with an outfit like VIlabs who are direct to buyer. Unless I'm mistaken, the Garritan is sold through a network of agents who also want their cut.

#2275909 - 05/14/14 09:48 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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I agree Dire Tonic, I still am very happy overall with RC. It just sounds so 'regal' to me wink I don't feel as if I'm missing out on something better, though eventually I'll prob bite the bullet and swallow my pride and get Ivory AG for a fuller sound when desired.


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#2289609 - 06/14/14 11:06 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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I'm trying to figure out how to emulate the resonance of the strings...like when you hit a key on an AP, the sound/resonance lingers. The only aspect I've found that sounds like this is the 'reverb'. Is this the only way to affect the resonance?

Thanks!


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#2289650 - 06/14/14 01:08 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Chrisl]  
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Originally Posted by Chrisl
I'm trying to figure out how to emulate the resonance of the strings...like when you hit a key on an AP, the sound/resonance lingers. The only aspect I've found that sounds like this is the 'reverb'. Is this the only way to affect the resonance?

Thanks!

Hold the pedal down. I'n not sure what is implemented in the P105, damper and/or string resonance, I suspect the former only (resonance with pedal down, but not with keys down);'but on most entry and mid level DP's there is no possibility to extend it.

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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
Hold the pedal down. I'n not sure what is implemented in the P105, damper and/or string resonance, I suspect the former only (resonance with pedal down, but not with keys down);'but on most entry and mid level DP's there is no possibility to extend it.


I am confused. I thought Chrisl was trying to figure out something related to the Ravenscroft software piano. What does how what is implemented in the P105 have to do with that ?


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#2289889 - 06/14/14 11:43 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: dmd]  
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Hold the pedal down. I'n not sure what is implemented in the P105, damper and/or string resonance, I suspect the former only (resonance with pedal down, but not with keys down);'but on most entry and mid level DP's there is no possibility to extend it.


I am confused. I thought Chrisl was trying to figure out something related to the Ravenscroft software piano. What does how what is implemented in the P105 have to do with that ?


Yes dmd, I was hoping to have that option in RW. I have lessons on a Steinway, and love the sustained note on the strings after pushing and letting go of the key, and I have my 105 with RW that I practice on...so I was just hoping to get it to be more like the Steinway.


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#2289992 - 06/15/14 04:53 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Chrisl]  
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Originally Posted by Chrisl
Yes dmd, I was hoping to have that option in RW. I have lessons on a Steinway, and love the sustained note on the strings after pushing and letting go of the key, and I have my 105 with RW that I practice on...so I was just hoping to get it to be more like the Steinway.


Well, the little I know about it ... would seem to point in the direction of the SYMPATHETIC RESONANCE. I would fool with that setting some.

Of course, you might get your best advice by calling VILabs for support.



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#2307574 - 07/26/14 10:20 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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I appreciate the info., PianoManChuck. About the Ravenscroft VPC. I haven't seen any more info. Look forward to more.


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#2307783 - 07/27/14 12:02 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: rnaple]  
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I appreciate the info., PianoManChuck. About the Ravenscroft VPC. I haven't seen any more info. Look forward to more.

I haven't seen any more info either, other than their website for acoustic pianos! You might want to contact them.

#2307962 - 07/27/14 10:35 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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Something that might help this thread.
All the discussion of metallic sound.
The first thing I think of with this is acoustics of the room you're listening in. As well as the speakers. Metallic usually indicates what they call: "early reflections". Those are close reflections from the speakers to you. They reflect so quickly. They sound as the original note played. They can create a metallic sound.
I've been working on the acoustics with my VPC. I don't hear any problem with metallic in the recordings from VILabs.
You don't need another 2 cent's worth opinion. I will admit I'm going to buy it.


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#2308104 - 07/28/14 10:11 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… Poor Customer Service [Re: PianoManChuck]  
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This is my first post, but first let me say that I recently purchased the Ravenscroft 275 virtual piano. I love it! The sound, miking options, and player friendly approach is tremendous. This is the first piano software that I would consider using to record a solo piano album with. I still use my old Yamaha KX88 keyboard controller (no problem using with Ravenscroft) because of the wonderful action.

Unfortunately I have some negative feedback with regards to VI Labs. Before I purchased the software on July 12, I had a couple of questions regarding my computer's hard drive's speed compatability. When I couldn't find the exact answer, I emailed VI Labs through their website using the "contact" fill-in form. After waiting about a week, and no answer, I cautiously went ahead and downloaded the software. Thankfully there were no problems once everything was downloaded. A couple of days later I had a couple of more questions about EQ and mike settings, and again contacted VI Labs through their website. Again, no response. I tried two more times for a total of four times, and to this day, July 28, 2014, I've had no response. Unless I am doing something wrong, this is totally unacceptable! Has anyone else experienced this? I certainly hope not.

Again, don't hesitate to buy this piano software. The customer support...you will have to judge for yourself.

#2308116 - 07/28/14 10:46 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… Poor Customer Service [Re: HisKidd]  
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It could be that the messages you sent did not reach VI Labs, or that the messages VI Labs sent have not reached you. Perhaps check the Spam folder of your email account, just to be sure.

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#2308127 - 07/28/14 11:17 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… Poor Customer Service [Re: Kawai James]  
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I checked. No spam items on my end. I just don't want this to happen to others. Here is the page link that I filled in with my questions.

http://www.vilabsaudio.com/index.php?route=information/contact

If anyone can think of another way to contact VI Labs, I would greatly appreciate knowing. In all fairness, maybe VI has a glitch in their mail system? Hopefully a representative scans this forum, and can offer a solution?

#2308210 - 07/28/14 03:03 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… Poor Customer Service [Re: HisKidd]  
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I contacted them last february when my HD crashed and I needed a new ilok license. I am pretty sure they replied within 1 day. I used the contact page on their website. There is a user here, Lance VI Labs, here who works for VI, maybe you can try sending him a PM. You

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#2308228 - 07/28/14 04:01 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… Poor Customer Service [Re: CountSmith]  
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That's good to know about Lance at VI on this forum.

Thank you!

#2316275 - 08/16/14 02:04 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… Poor Customer Service [Re: HisKidd]  
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only one word for Ravenscroft...

Beautiful!

#2316457 - 08/17/14 03:22 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… Poor Customer Service [Re: Superbaffone]  
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Originally Posted by Superbaffone
only one word for Ravenscroft...

Beautiful!

VILabs did a really good job of sampling - it's consistent, clean, without bumps or clangs but maybe the Ravenscroft itself isn't quite to my taste. Better for jazz, maybe, than anything else?

I wish VILabs would have another go at a Steinway, I'm sure they'd have a winner.

#2316571 - 08/17/14 12:36 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… Poor Customer Service [Re: dire tonic]  
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Originally Posted by dire tonic

I wish VILabs would have another go at a Steinway, I'm sure they'd have a winner.

I'd rather they do a Yamaha CFX. I'm not counting on Garritan to ever finish theirs.

Between the Vintage D, Ivory II American D, and their own True Keys American (which isn't bad) I've got enough Steinways. If you don't like either the Vintage D or Ivory II American D, I wonder what you are looking for? I don't hear many flaws in either. It's more a matter of which original piano I like better.


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Originally Posted by Macy
I'd rather they do a Yamaha CFX. I'm not counting on Garritan to ever finish theirs.

I'd be interested in their CFX also.

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Between the Vintage D, Ivory II American D, and their own True Keys American (which isn't bad) I've got enough Steinways. If you don't like either the Vintage D or Ivory II American D, I wonder what you are looking for? I don't hear many flaws in either. It's more a matter of which original piano I like better.

I wasn't bowled over by anything I heard of the TK American but I sensed that VIlabs got into their stride with the Ravenscroft, better methods maybe (I'm guessing) so I'm hoping they've sharpened their tools, their know-how.

I've just bought Ivory American so I'm still messing about with it. That and the vintage D are both good - and strikingly different from each other - but they could be better. I don't like Vintage D's una corda, and at the moment I find Ivory a bit on the woolly side. Other than eradicating obvious flaws It's not easy to pin down and specify what I'm looking for but I think I'll know it when I play it and hear it.

#2317192 - 08/19/14 05:15 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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vilabs answer my question about layers...


The Ravenscroft has 12 velocity layers on which we apply our advenced filtering to make the velocity splits unnoticeable.

Best regards,

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Originally Posted by Superbaffone
vilabs answer my question about layers...


The Ravenscroft has 12 velocity layers on which we apply our advenced filtering to make the velocity splits unnoticeable.

Best regards,

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We finally got that info... wink


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#2319086 - 08/24/14 12:43 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… Poor Customer Service [Re: Macy]  
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Originally Posted by Macy
Originally Posted by dire tonic

I wish VILabs would have another go at a Steinway, I'm sure they'd have a winner.

I'd rather they do a Yamaha CFX. I'm not counting on Garritan to ever finish theirs.


What does Garritan have to finish with the Garritan Abbey Road Studios CFX Concert Grand Virtual Piano?

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Originally Posted by fastlanephil
Originally Posted by Macy
Originally Posted by dire tonic

I wish VILabs would have another go at a Steinway, I'm sure they'd have a winner.

I'd rather they do a Yamaha CFX. I'm not counting on Garritan to ever finish theirs.


What does Garritan have to finish with the Garritan Abbey Road Studios CFX Concert Grand Virtual Piano?

As noted on their own web page they don't have partial pedaling or (more importantly) re-pedaling.


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#2319901 - 08/26/14 12:29 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… Poor Customer Service [Re: dire tonic]  
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I wish VILabs would have another go at a Steinway, I'm sure they'd have a winner.


I really wish they have a go at a Bösendorfer or a Stuart & Sons next.


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[quote=PikaPianist]I really wish they have a go at a Bösendorfer or a Stuart & Sons next. [/quote]

- now you mention it, a well-sampled Bosendorfer would be very desirable, I've no doubt. I'm not familiar with the Stuart & Sons but as it's probably never been sampled before maybe that too could be a winner on rarity value alone?

How about it, VILabs?

#2324960 - 09/07/14 05:51 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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I find it is sampled incredibly good, however, I prefer the "Steinway tone". While technically perfect, this is just not for me. So, I'm selling my copy of the Ravenscroft 275 on ebay right now.

It's available for ~130$/99€ (ebay.com/itm/161412436028).

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Today I bought the Ravenscroft , beautiful!!!


https://soundcloud.com/superbaffone/prova-2-ravenscroft

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I am shopping around for a virtual piano library and would love to hear the opinions of those who have owned and tried many of the leading offerings.

I play a lot of jazz improv and lounge, but would also be looking for a piano that I can sit well in a pop or alt rock track. If I need more than one piano, that is fine.

Realism in both sound and playability are my most important selection criteria. Darkness or brightness are issues I can fix with EQ, but of course, something being perfect off the shelf is an advantage!

Cheers

Has anyone here compared this with Production Grand, Garritan CFX Concert Grand or Vienna Imperial? These are three I've had recommended to me so far.

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I prefer Pianoteq overall. Superb playability and sound. You can also make edits on a note per note basis (Pro version). For example, notes that might sound lower/louder can be easily corrected by raising/lowering the volume for those notes. I've also made the lower end deeper by using the spectrum profile (Pro version).

Ivory American Concert D has a very realistic lower end; however, note per note edits are not possible. This is a problem for me; since there are always notes that will be a bit off (volume, timbre, depth, etc.). If you try to edit a note or a group of notes, all the notes are affected; for example, if you alter a parameter specifically for the upper register, you will notice the improvement; however, now the lower end has been affected too, and it sounds crappy. It's a catch 22.

Ravenscroft is crisp and lots of fun for jazz; however, it suffers from the same limitations mentioned above. To be specific, C16 (2 octaves below middle C) is completely muffled and weak; you can barely hear this note in relation to neighboring notes. At least one other forum member has mentioned this. Try to correct that note and you mess up everything else (global edits.)

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