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#2269730 - 05/01/14 05:17 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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Thank you PianoManChuck, also saw your video on the Casio forums, very helpful. It's great that you always switch between the voices after a few seconds, short phrases are fresher in memory than longer ones.


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#2270271 - 05/02/14 04:25 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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For those interested in how the Kawai VPC1 was modified... part of this video demonstrates what's done by Ravenworks Design (the new, digital division of Ravenworks Piano). The video actually discusses Ravenscroft at NAMM 2014, talks about the acoustic model 275 (9' concert grand), talks about Ravenscroft by VI Labs, talks about the action on both the acoustic and digital (VPC1) keys.

Its a bit lengthy, but for those interested solely in the VPC1 modification, skip to 11:30 in the video, then come back and watch the entire video some time at your leisure. Here's the link:

http://youtu.be/BUC0xU7OX54

Enjoy.

#2270330 - 05/02/14 06:30 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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That's fascinating - thanks for your video link, PianoManChuck. The work done on the VPC reminds me of what some folk get up to with (cheap) Chinese condenser microphones from companies like MXL etc. They strip out some standard parts and insert high spec ones: capsule, capacitors, maybe transistors. And you end up with a U87 for under 300 dollars - that sort of thing.

There's a lot of it about....they call it modding. But I think I'll stick with the standard stuff. It's good enough for what I want at the moment!


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#2270335 - 05/02/14 06:39 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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Very interesting stuff about the VPC1 modifications. I am very curious now to find out what the modified action feels like.

Thanks for sharing!


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#2270524 - 05/03/14 11:35 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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I've been trying for awhile to find a way to play soft keys on my P105 and RC. I just saw this video of TKeys by VI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd3JRyd9FCA
I'm starting to learn crescendo and decrescendo and it's near impossibl.

There is the option of "velocity threshold" that seems to do just this. But with RC and the UVI, I don't see this option. Anyone know if this can be done?

Also, I asked awhile ago, but can't find the reply. Can someone tell me again how to backup the settings?

Thanks!
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#2270558 - 05/03/14 01:42 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Chrisl]  
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Originally Posted by Chrisl
There is the option of "velocity threshold" that seems to do just this. But with RC and the UVI, I don't see this option. Anyone know if this can be done?


If you "open midi panel", using the icon on the right side between the tuning fork and the gear ... you will see a velocity curve. That is a midi signal IN/OUT curve. You can bend that curve so that the beginning of the curve lies flat on the bottom at the beginning. That will cause MIDI IN values to result in ZERO MIDI OUT signals ... which means you will not generate a sound when you press a key at those low velocities. This might do what you wish.



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#2271392 - 05/05/14 11:21 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: dmd]  
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There is the option of "velocity threshold" that seems to do just this. But with RC and the UVI, I don't see this option. Anyone know if this can be done?


If you "open midi panel", using the icon on the right side between the tuning fork and the gear ... you will see a velocity curve. That is a midi signal IN/OUT curve. You can bend that curve so that the beginning of the curve lies flat on the bottom at the beginning. That will cause MIDI IN values to result in ZERO MIDI OUT signals ... which means you will not generate a sound when you press a key at those low velocities. This might do what you wish.



Don, I've been out of the state so I can't try this yet. I did play around with this and didn't think it made a difference. I'll go back and play again with the v. curve. Thanks for the help!
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#2271451 - 05/05/14 02:04 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Chrisl]  
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Originally Posted by Chrisl
Don, I've been out of the state so I can't try this yet. I did play around with this and didn't think it made a difference. I'll go back and play again with the v. curve. Thanks for the help!
Chris


It absolutely works. Bend it down as far as you can and you will certainly see a difference.


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#2272666 - 05/08/14 07:31 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: dmd]  
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I got it to work, Thank You dmd!
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#2273876 - 05/11/14 07:42 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Chrisl]  
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I purchased this library at the pre-release price and I am willing to sell it. If anyone is interested, please send me a PM.

#2273936 - 05/11/14 10:39 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Luis Ferreira]  
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Originally Posted by Luis Ferreira
I purchased this library at the pre-release price and I am willing to sell it. If anyone is interested, please send me a PM.

- hopefully, the lucky bargain hunter will feed back the agreed price in the DIGITAL PIANO "PRICES PAID" thread....

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Originally Posted by dire tonic
Originally Posted by Luis Ferreira
I purchased this library at the pre-release price and I am willing to sell it. If anyone is interested, please send me a PM.

- hopefully, the lucky bargain hunter will feed back the agreed price in the DIGITAL PIANO "PRICES PAID" thread....


I am not sure that it would be wise to begin filling that useful thread with endless postings about "deals" between users of used equipment. I would vote against that. Especially, since in this case, it isn't what one expects to find in a thread about digital pianos. It is software.




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Originally Posted by dmd
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Originally Posted by Luis Ferreira
I purchased this library at the pre-release price and I am willing to sell it. If anyone is interested, please send me a PM.

- hopefully, the lucky bargain hunter will feed back the agreed price in the DIGITAL PIANO "PRICES PAID" thread....


I am not sure that it would be wise to begin filling that useful thread with endless postings about "deals" between users of used equipment. I would vote against that. Especially, since in this case, it isn't what one expects to find in a thread about digital pianos. It is software.


- the info and that post would be in the PRICES PAID thread, no need for 'endless' postings.

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Originally Posted by dire tonic
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I purchased this library at the pre-release price and I am willing to sell it. If anyone is interested, please send me a PM.

- hopefully, the lucky bargain hunter will feed back the agreed price in the DIGITAL PIANO "PRICES PAID" thread....


I am not sure that it would be wise to begin filling that useful thread with endless postings about "deals" between users of used equipment. I would vote against that. Especially, since in this case, it isn't what one expects to find in a thread about digital pianos. It is software.


- the info and that post would be in the PRICES PAID thread, no need for 'endless' postings.


You mean, just this once, and never do it again ?


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Originally Posted by dmd
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I purchased this library at the pre-release price and I am willing to sell it. If anyone is interested, please send me a PM.

- hopefully, the lucky bargain hunter will feed back the agreed price in the DIGITAL PIANO "PRICES PAID" thread....


I am not sure that it would be wise to begin filling that useful thread with endless postings about "deals" between users of used equipment. I would vote against that. Especially, since in this case, it isn't what one expects to find in a thread about digital pianos. It is software.


- the info and that post would be in the PRICES PAID thread, no need for 'endless' postings.


You mean, just this once, and never do it again ?


No, that's not what I mean.

#2273954 - 05/11/14 11:09 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: dire tonic]  
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Originally Posted by dire tonic

No, that's not what I mean.


Well, I must be missing something. What do you mean, then ?

I do not understand.

It sounds like you wish to have the price of the Ravenscroft software, as paid by a user to another user, into the Digital Pianos PRICES PAID thread. Isn't that what you mean't ?





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#2273955 - 05/11/14 11:10 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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This thread is about "Ravenscroft by VI Labs... first look and sound".

What does selling or buying a copy have to do with this thread? Now if someone bought a copy, tried it out (first look and sound) and isn't happy with it or wants to sell it, perhaps it might be fitting to explain their reasoning in this thread.

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Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
This thread is about "Ravenscroft by VI Labs... first look and sound".

What does selling or buying a copy have to do with this thread? Now if someone bought a copy, tried it out (first look and sound) and isn't happy with it or wants to sell it, perhaps it might be fitting to explain their reasoning in this thread.


I agree. But this sort of thing happens all the time.

For example, back a ways in this thread ... it veered off into a discussion about modifying the VPC1 in some manner. Certainly related to the Ravenscroft software (slightly) but not really properly placed within this thread, in my opinion. And, of course, everyone has an opinion.



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The ‘Prices Paid’ thread is about price discovery for new and used items. In short, it’s knowledge which can help establish a fair price. I’m suggesting that the price paid be listed in the Prices Paid thread.

Shocking, I know.

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Originally Posted by dire tonic
The ‘Prices Paid’ thread is about price discovery for new and used items.


Well, the title says DIGITAL PIANOS Prices Paid. I assume that means for digital pianos only. I do not recall ever seeing anything other than digital pianos in that thread. I might be wrong. Please correct me if so.

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I’m suggesting that the price paid be listed in the Prices Paid thread.


Well, that is where I suggest that starting a precedent like that may not be a good idea. Perhaps a PM to the seller asking for that information might be more suitable.

Not a biggie, just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by dire tonic
The ‘Prices Paid’ thread is about price discovery for new and used items.


Well, the title says DIGITAL PIANOS Prices Paid. I assume that means for digital pianos only. I do not recall ever seeing anything other than digital pianos in that thread. I might be wrong. Please correct me if so.

Why does it matter?

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I’m suggesting that the price paid be listed in the Prices Paid thread.


Well, that is where I suggest that starting a precedent like that may not be a good idea. Perhaps a PM to the seller asking for that information might be more suitable.

Who would send the PM? And why to the seller rather than the buyer? And if neither seller nor buyer wish to divulge?

The forum is, hopefully, about the open exchange of information. If a seller or buyer of a pre-used software piano wants to volunteer info about the price paid, I hope s/he will do that... and in the proper place.

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You are right. This is not a marketplace and the quality of this forum is due to the open and honest discussion about Digital Pianos and their relatives like sound libraries as discussed in this thread. This said, let me express my disapointment regarding this Library. I cannot get it working with acceptable latency and stability in windows 7/8 as compared to other competitors like Vintage D or Pianoteq. Tried multiple Asio soundcards and versions of windows. I just regret the money I spent on this. However this is my opinion that results from my frustration in trying to get a way of making this product useful for my regular practice.

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Originally Posted by Luis Ferreira
You are right. This is not a marketplace and the quality of this forum is due to the open and honest discussion about Digital Pianos and their relatives like sound libraries as discussed in this thread. This said, let me express my disapointment regarding this Library. I cannot get it working with acceptable latency and stability in windows 7/8 as compared to other competitors like Vintage D or Pianoteq. Tried multiple Asio soundcards and versions of windows. I just regret the money I spent on this. However this is my opinion that results from my frustration in trying to get a way of making this product useful for my regular practice.


Well, this may not be very useful ...

However, I am using Windows 7 with the Ravenscroft product and experienced absolutely no noticeable latency at all. Of course, there are many other variables (computer speed, RAM, audio device, etc ...) that can contribute to a latency problem. I just want to let you know that the problem may not be with the software.

However, your experience is your experience and you have to do what you feel is best for your situation.

Good Luck



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Originally Posted by dire tonic
Why does it matter?


Well, it matters (to me, anyway) because when I look in that thread, I wish to see those items that will be helpful to me in the purchase of a digital piano. If we begin to intermingle all sorts of items (software piano products, amplifiers, speakers, mixers, etc ...) into the thread ... while it may be useful to someone in some remote way, I do not believe that is in the interest of most members looking to zero in on a fair price for a digital piano.

Again, my opinion ... everyone has one (an opinion, that is).

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If a seller or buyer of a pre-used software piano wants to volunteer info about the price paid, I hope s/he will do that... and in the proper place.


Absolutely ... as you say .. in the proper place. I just do not think the Digital Piano PRICES PAID is that proper place.





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Originally Posted by dire tonic
Who would send the PM?


The person who is interested in finding out what the sale [price was, in this case ... you.

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And why to the seller rather than the buyer?

Well, because you may not know who the buyer is. You could PM the seller and ask if they would PM you with the sale price after it sells.

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And if neither seller nor buyer wish to divulge?


Then, you aren't going to find out.


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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by dire tonic
Why does it matter?


Well, it matters (to me, anyway)

life's too short.

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Originally Posted by Luis Ferreira
You are right. This is not a marketplace and the quality of this forum is due to the open and honest discussion about Digital Pianos and their relatives like sound libraries as discussed in this thread. This said, let me express my disapointment regarding this Library. I cannot get it working with acceptable latency and stability in windows 7/8 as compared to other competitors like Vintage D or Pianoteq. Tried multiple Asio soundcards and versions of windows. I just regret the money I spent on this. However this is my opinion that results from my frustration in trying to get a way of making this product useful for my regular practice.


I've been using both vintage D and the RC with no problem re latency. Have you updated UVI to the latest version? (2.5.2).

If you're using UVI as a stand-alone, that could cause a problem with some asio drivers. Better to run it within a DAW, e.g. the free Cantabile works very well.

You may already have covered those possibilities.

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If it ain't a "HARDWARE" piano, then it is (mostly) a "Software" piano.
"Digital" pianos are (mostly) sample libraries anyway - ergo Ravenscroft is essentially a "digital piano", if only the "voice of", just missing the keys, amp, speakers and cabinet - so what ?

It doesn't REALLY matter, used stuff is used stuff, list it where you think it might become useful info for anyone seeking (functionally) same/similar "stuff".

BTW, I recently went on a definitions search for the distinction/difference between sample libraries and sound fonts - wasted a lot of time on THAT.

#2274067 - 05/11/14 02:57 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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Since software pianos are becoming ever more important to the sort of people who frequent this forum, it would be sensible to include them in the Prices Paid thread, except that:

1. I don't think most people are terribly interested because most software is not negotiable. If you're lucky, you'll buy in one of their occasional sales drives, when they slash prices 50% or so. But a 'prices paid' list won't help you with that.

2. Software is relatively cheap, so fewer people are looking for negotiated bargains.

3. If it DID become a common fixture to include the trading of second hand software pianos, VSTi, DAWs and the like, it would be worth having a separate sticky thread just for those - as it might for other hardware: amps, monitor speakers, stands and what not.

Then everyone would be happy.


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#2274069 - 05/11/14 03:01 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]  
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I run RC, ACD, and Pianoteq on a Mac Pro (8 cores @2.8Ghz; 8GB of Ram; Samsung Pro SSD). The Ravenscroft is the most demanding in terms of computing resources. I can run ACD with all -1,000- voices, @64 buffer size. Pianoteq runs perfectly despite high polyphony, and 64 buffer size. The Ravenscroft will only run @128 buffer size; if I go lower, I will start to get pops and cracks. I can only load two mic perspectives (I can get away with three; however, I will get the occasional pop/crack). I've also noticed many bass notes produce a muffled/unbalanced/louder-softer sound. Still, I like the instrument; go figure.

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