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Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M #2217653
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Hi there,

I know this has been discussed before, so my apologies in advance for reviving a much discussed topic. My husband and I have been shopping around for a baby grand piano for our home. Two of our three children play and we are hoping the youngest will also play eventually as well. My son began playing at 5 and is now almost 10. He loves it, composes his own pieces and when he wakes up in the morning, the first thing he does is run to the piano to play.

We have been looking for a bit, and seem to be narrowing down to a final decision between a new Yamaha GC1M and a used Kawai GE30, 2007. They are both being sold at at a popular keyboard store francise and will be backed by a warrantee and a trade-in option after 10 years.

The price of the Kawai is $9808.91 total (including tax and delivery).

The price of the new Yamaha is $$15, 258.91 (including tax and delivery).

I know that the size difference is 2". I know that the Kawai uses ABS materials on some of their parts.

Sound-wise, I did find that the Kawai was more muted/softer, for lack of a better word, and the Kawaii did seem brighter (which seems to gel with what I have read in my research).

Action-wise, the Kawai's did seem slightly heavier/firmer compared to the Yamaha, which is also what I have read.

Finally, my son when asked to play both several times, affirmatively said he liked the Yamaha best.

Obviously, there is a huge difference between the two - one being used, the other new as well as the difference in the brands and the level/model of each.

Either is a huge step up from the old, out of shape upright Baldwin we currently own. Which is the better beast? The better long-term value? Is the new Yamaha worth the extra $5,000+? All thoughts welcome.

Thank you.


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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2217656
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Seems like pretty nice prices for both. Perhaps you can ask the store about having the Kawai regulated and voiced a bit more to your liking prior to sale, if you really can't afford the Yamaha?

As others will undoubtedly mention, there are other brands out there that compare favorably to the lower-line Kawai and Yamaha grands. In the meantime, you can read about this stuff in-depth at the piano buyer site, linked at left.


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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2217752
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Would be the Yamaha for me if price is not a factor. My experience, the Yamaha will be more stable tuning wise. Also the touch of the Yamaha is more of what I like. I have played 40 years. Also been a technician full time 40 years.


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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2217836
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Another option has just become available to us - a 1994 Yamaha G1, which I understand is the predecessor to the GC1M. In fact I believe it is the last year that the G1 was made before Yamaha switched to the GC1M. Is this correct? Between the new GC1M at $15,000+ and this model which would cost between $8,000 and $9,000, would one opt for the 20 year old piano if they both played and looked equally well?

Thank you for the above advice so far. We would be stretching the budget at $15,000+ for the new Yamaha and I am just not sure that would be the best decision for us financially.



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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2217881
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Originally Posted by Musicalmarmee
would one opt for the 20 year old piano if they both played and looked equally well?

If you like them equally well, then take the old one. Be sure to pay attention to the sound in the bass, because that is one of the primary places you will hear weakness on a baby grand.

If you are worried, you can have a piano technician look at it to verify that it's in good shape.


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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218009
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I thought the G(123...) was the predecessor to the C(123...). But I could be wrong since I've seen C's from the late 70's and G's from the 80's.

But you seem to be buying a piano from your web browser and didn't say which one you liked better. That's the most important thing and Kawai's and Yamaha's are different enough that you should be able to tell which one you like.

Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218098
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I think you may have misread my post(s). I said that the G series was the predecessor to the GC series, not the C series. I mention that the G series, from my understanding, is for all intents and purposes, the same piano as the GC series up to a certain number. I do not think the G, or the GC series is the same as the C series. I understand that the C series is an entire step up, so to speak, in both construction and size. As a novice, I realize I certainly may be incorrect about my information.

In my initial post above, I mention clearly that my son - who is really the player in our family - tried both pianos in my inquiry several times and definitively enjoyed the Yamaha most. I also mentioned the differences that I heard and felt in each piano. Though I am a singer and musical, I have found sussing out the nuances in pianos to be a (mostly) subtle and often subjective experience.

I am most certainly not "buying a piano from [my] web browser." I have shopped at several stores, consulted with many friends, some professional and some amateur, and also researched on the web on many sites including this forum.

Thanks for everyone's input thus far.



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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218104
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The G is not the GC.

I have another choice for you...since you like the Yamaha GC1, why don't you do a little shopping and see if you can't come up with a good used C2 or C3?

I think you could find one of those pretty easily for between 10 and 15K.


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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218135
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In SoCal you could buy a new GE-30 for less than a new GC1M. But your son likes the Yamaha, so maybe that answers the question.


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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218137
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I am pretty sure we don't have room for a C2 or C3. Hmmm wait, I do see that Yamaha makes a C1 that is 5'3". If I could find a used one, otherwise out of my price range.What are the main differences between a G1 (1994) and GC1M (NEW)?

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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218237
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http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...aha%20G%20series%20vs.%20C%20series.html

The C and now Cx series is Yamaha's best mass produced piano (non-handmade). And I believe the G series was the old version of that even though they sold side-by-side for years. That thread up there compares G and C.

The GB and GC's are Yamaha's "price point" pianos. For entry-level players, home decor, and to compete on price with the better Chinese pianos (Hailun, Ritmuller, etc...). Which btw, many here seem to feel are better than the low-end Yamaha and Kawai grands.

This link describes GB & GC's:
http://www.pianobuyer.com/fall13/195.html

Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218420
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Thank you, michaelh. The above links were helpful. However, I have to say that even after really trying to hone and pinpoint differences and even calling Yamaha USA, I have been able to find very little specific information regarding the exact differences between the 1994 G1 (serial # indicates made for USA sales)and the NEW GC1M. Yamaha USA said the major difference was in the "stringing scale" but that both have duplex scaling. Does this make sense? He indicated that techs and tuners had a very difficult time tuning the G1 and that the way the stringing scale was made affected the low tenor section below middle C. I understand the earlier G models were made rather differently but my understanding, prior to this phone convo, was that '94 G1 was more on par with the early Yamaha C series. Can anyone speak to what the Yamaha dealer told me today. He seemed to want to steer me to buy the new Yamaha GC1M so I wasn't sure if he was giving me "good," specific info on the '94 G1.

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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218459
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Found another for you:

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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Plowboy] #2218496
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Thanks, again. Yes, I read that one the other day but it was good to read it again. I think I am beginning to feel where my purchase might be :-)


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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218591
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There was originally the G1, G2, G3, G5, G7 began in 1954, then in 1967, the C3 was introduced in addition to the G3, however, that same year, the G7 was renamed the C7.

The C5 was introduced in 1979, so the C-series by then had the C3, C5, C7, along side the G-series G1, G2, G3, G5. In 1994, the G5 (200 cm) was renamed the C5. The original C5 (212 cm) was renamed the C6. The G1 and G2 were also renamed C1 and C2, the G3 dropped, so resulting in consolidation of G and C into a single C-series - C1, C2, C3, C5, C6, C7.

The only two pianos that do not trace their heritage back to a G-series are the C3 and C6. If you play the whole range of C-series, the C3 and C6 will sound different (darker) in character from C1, C2, C5, and C7.


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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218702
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Originally Posted by Musicalmarmee
I am pretty sure we don't have room for a C2 or C3. Hmmm wait, I do see that Yamaha makes a C1 that is 5'3". If I could find a used one, otherwise out of my price range.What are the main differences between a G1 (1994) and GC1M (NEW)?


My friend, if you have room for a 5'3" piano, you have room for a 5'6" piano...


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Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218937
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To the OP, I emailed you in regards to a piano you may be interested in..

Re: Used Kawai GE30 2007 versus New Yamaha GC1M [Re: Musicalmarmee] #2218973
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Among Consumer Grade pianos you don't need going to a 5'6 if knowing which 5'3 is just as good - if not better.

Amazing choices today.

Why not use the competitive edge they are offering?

http://www.pianobuyer.com/fall13/43.html

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I forgot to mention the GC1(M) and GC2 are basically home-grade versions of the C1(M) and C2(M).


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