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#2212265 - 01/10/14 04:43 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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More information (and in english!)

http://yamaha-keyboards.blogspot.ca/2014/01/yamaha-p-255-digital-piano-new.html

- "USB audio recording"... Maybe as .wav file?
- iOS app for what appears to be an alternative to using those Function buttons for programming.
- Ivory feel keys
- 255 note polyphony
- Aux input (nice)
- Drum patterns

So this does have several new features.


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#2212828 - 01/11/14 02:00 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: guyl]  
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Originally Posted by guyl
More information (and in english!)

http://yamaha-keyboards.blogspot.ca/2014/01/yamaha-p-255-digital-piano-new.html

- "USB audio recording"... Maybe as .wav file?
- iOS app for what appears to be an alternative to using those Function buttons for programming.
- Ivory feel keys
- 255 note polyphony
- Aux input (nice)
- Drum patterns

So this does have several new features.


looks like its wishful thinking that the 255 will have the CFX sample set loaded. which doesn't surprise me and if they keep the price point around $1000 probably not an unfair decision. I wish it would have the S6 sample set. that would really make it interesting. I have always felt the p155 was about the best overall value for its price point- decent action, usable sample set, decent onboard speaker system, and reasonable weight for lugging around.

with this one around a thousand and the cp4 around 2 grand, will they likely offer in something that splits the difference?


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#2212874 - 01/11/14 03:18 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: bfb]  
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Originally Posted by bfb
with this one around a thousand and the cp4 around 2 grand, will they likely offer in something that splits the difference?

they have the CP40.
But I think the lines separate more along the lines of
CP33/CP40/CP4 for models with MIDI control features and no speakers;
P35/P105/P155 for models with speakers rather than MIDI control functions.
the CP300 is the only piece that straddles those worlds. It's coming up on 8 years since its introduction, it's surprising it is still in the line, while never having been updated.

#2212909 - 01/11/14 04:12 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: guyl]  
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This update seems like a worthy replacement for my aging P-120. My P-120 has and still holds up well, but the extra polyphony and the new string resonance (which the CP4 does not have) will be welcomed. I'm glad to see that they have dropped the damper resonance effect and used the real stereo sustain samples as I find they sound better and less like a cranked up reverb effect. I have the stereo sustain samples on my P-120 but when I turn it up past the factory settings it does steal polyphony and I actually hear note cut-offs when I practice something like Chopin's Ballades (#4 is what I've been working on lately). I suppose Yamaha knows that the stereo sustain samples eat polyphony and thus covered that issue by increasing it to 256.

I'm also interested in the iOS application because it would be nice to "customize" certain parameters from my iPhone or iPad without using the function menu. I'm certainly going to take a good long look at this new P-255 especially if it is priced at $1100 or below US dollar. I do hope that they include a nice Rhodes emulation with an auto-pan effect that can be turned on and off. I may be asking too much there, but hey Yamaha seems to be waking up from it's slumber, lol!

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#2212944 - 01/11/14 05:17 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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The fly in the ointment is build quality and quality control. I wouldn't be so eager to pick up these new models if the price remains the same. The monetary inflation has to be going somewhere and my bet is that its going into decreased quality of manufacture.

I'll pick up the P-155 for $800 on a clearance sale, thank you very much. Sure beats the ES100.

#2213043 - 01/11/14 08:13 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: StarvingLion]  
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Originally Posted by StarvingLion
The fly in the ointment is build quality and quality control. I wouldn't be so eager to pick up these new models if the price remains the same. The monetary inflation has to be going somewhere and my bet is that its going into decreased quality of manufacture.

I'll pick up the P-155 for $800 on a clearance sale, thank you very much. Sure beats the ES100.


No question- I agree 100% as manufacturers are looking for every which way to increase profit margins.
My P95 was made much better than the P105 and my PX130 has much better components than the x50's I owned.
P155's seem to have a proven track record. A Yamaha price drop and a coupon from a retailer might actually give you a price of around $700 forthcoming.


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#2213062 - 01/11/14 08:53 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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Possom: Do you have any substantiation for these silly claims. (Surely Starving Lion doesn't. He never does.)
Originally Posted by Possum SP280Krome
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The fly in the ointment is build quality and quality control. I wouldn't be so eager to pick up these new models if the price remains the same. The monetary inflation has to be going somewhere and my bet is that its going into decreased quality of manufacture.
I'll pick up the P-155 for $800 on a clearance sale, thank you very much. Sure beats the ES100.
No question- I agree 100% as manufacturers are looking for every which way to increase profit margins.
My P95 was made much better than the P105 and my PX130 has much better components than the x50's I owned.
P155's seem to have a proven track record. A Yamaha price drop and a coupon from a retailer might actually give you a price of around $700 forthcoming.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Possom: Do you have any substantiation for these silly claims. (Surely Starving Lion doesn't. He never does.)
Originally Posted by Possum SP280Krome
Originally Posted by StarvingLion
The fly in the ointment is build quality and quality control. I wouldn't be so eager to pick up these new models if the price remains the same. The monetary inflation has to be going somewhere and my bet is that its going into decreased quality of manufacture.
I'll pick up the P-155 for $800 on a clearance sale, thank you very much. Sure beats the ES100.
No question- I agree 100% as manufacturers are looking for every which way to increase profit margins.
My P95 was made much better than the P105 and my PX130 has much better components than the x50's I owned.
P155's seem to have a proven track record. A Yamaha price drop and a coupon from a retailer might actually give you a price of around $700 forthcoming.


These claims are not silly. Several of the P105's make a rattling noise coming from the right side when playing with both hands below middle c. This is due to poor assembly and fastening of the chassis and has been reported by at least 2 other individuals on this board. This was in addition to receiving a P105 with a broken key to start with.
In terms of the Casio, the speakers on the x30 series are much louder than those on the x50's. I did several side by side tests on both and even a retailer in my area noticed it.
In addition, I returned 2 PX350's due to uneven key widths and heights.
To some such as yourself, these might seem like silly claims, but to others such as myself, both a busy executive and semi-professional musician, a downgrade in quality in unacceptable. If you still think that is silly, you are entitled to your opinion.


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#2213116 - 01/11/14 10:39 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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I wasn't questioning the piano quality. Rather, I question your tracing the fault to "manufacturers looking for every which way to increase profit margins".

Since you cannot identify the cause of the faults, you cannot honestly make such an attribution.

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Originally Posted by Possum SP280Krome
These claims are not silly.


Honestly, people will take you much more seriously if you don't quote or support StarvingLion's crazy rants. No one around here for a while would take him seriously. Thus to phrase your experiences as supporting him is to draw the disdain of everyone reading the thread. Better to just state your relevant experiences.

#2213879 - 01/13/14 10:22 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: gvfarns]  
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#2213910 - 01/13/14 11:12 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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USB to host AND MIDI connections. Fantastic. Gotta keep my eye on this one.

Anyone know anything about Casio's "class compliment" USB vs Yamaha's integration with DAWs as a MIDI controller?

#2213914 - 01/13/14 11:21 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: dctrombly]  
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Originally Posted by dctrombly
USB to host AND MIDI connections. Fantastic. Gotta keep my eye on this one.


I noticed that too: MIDI to host is supported. There is a separate USB jack of the "device" type on the back, There appears to be a USB "host" jack on the front for a USB stick: a much better place for that purpose. Definitely a plus over the P-155.


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#2213958 - 01/13/14 12:57 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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It looks like the mahogany wood grain option is no longer available. I was hoping they'd offer the same colors as the P155.

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#2213962 - 01/13/14 01:00 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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Speakers point out the back, it looks like maybe you hear the backwave through those narrow slits in the top? So maybe not all that different than the P120 (which is kind of lame sounding).

Same old 3 digit / 7 segment LED display.

I suppose the 3 band EQ is better than the single "brightness" slider on the P120, but I'd rather have a $1 data spinner and a $2 LCD display.

The i-whatever interface seem like fluff - probably not enough going on inside to warrant any kind of "deep dive".

Only 5 buttons for voice selection? With every model they seem to reduce voice button count. Not directionally correct IMO.

~38 lbs, not all that portable.

#2213972 - 01/13/14 01:37 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: dewster]  
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Originally Posted by dewster

Same old 3 digit / 7 segment LED display.


Funny that you mention the display. I thought that the P-155's LED display was a strong point because a LCD display is often the first thing that becomes defective on keyboards that get carried and banged around.


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Originally Posted by guyl
Funny that you mention the display. I thought that the P-155's LED display was a strong point because a LCD display is often the first thing that becomes defective on keyboards that get carried and banged around.

I have nothing against LEDs, just that 3 digits / 7 segments is not enough info to really do much with. LCD displays can be robust, particularly the small & cheap 1 and 2 line alpha-numeric ones.

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Originally Posted by dewster
Originally Posted by guyl
Funny that you mention the display. I thought that the P-155's LED display was a strong point because a LCD display is often the first thing that becomes defective on keyboards that get carried and banged around.

I have nothing against LEDs, just that 3 digits / 7 segments is not enough info to really do much with. LCD displays can be robust, particularly the small & cheap 1 and 2 line alpha-numeric ones.


True but I think that is the selling point and attractiveness of the free iOS app that is available for the P-255. I'm certainly interested in this one to replace my P-120.

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The specs look similar to the CP40 in some ways (same sample set, key action and 3-band equalizer in the same position on the case). On the other hand, it has double the polyphony (256 vs 128), string resonance and, of course, speakers.

#2214121 - 01/13/14 06:56 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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Looks like an awesome DP IMO. Still waiting to see what the U.S. price will be, as right now it looks like $2000 if you consider conversion rates on various sites (http://www.andertons.co.uk/stage-pianos/pid32069/cid618/yamaha-p255-digital-stage-piano-in-black.asp)Which would be way too much for what it offers.


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No. If you look at Andertons pricing the P155 is 1099 pounds, which is US $1800. You simply can not use conversion rates to accurately guess US prices.

Since the P255 at Andertons is only 100 pounds more than the price of the P155, the US pricing should be not more than $100 than the current US pricing of the P155.

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#2214722 - 01/14/14 06:19 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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Hunting around for a DP, including the P155 which is available at reduced prices at the moment I came across this:

http://www.yamahamusiclondon.com/?page_id=31000864

with details here:

http://www.yamahamusiclondon.com/P~YAM-P255~P-255-Digital-Piano?attributes=

Scroll down past the video where most of the available details are revealed.

owners manual pdf here:

http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/mu...digitalpianos/p_series/p-255/?mode=model


Scroll down to Downloads.

Apologies if this is already buried elsewhere in this thread.

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Is SoundBoost something they call the Compressor on some of their other boards?

"When playing along with other instruments, Sound Boost makes your performance stand out in the mix with clear tonal delivery."

I notice it ships with the FC4 foot switch pedal and not the FC3 sustain, although the FC3 is suggested as an accessory.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avn2l_BLWIQ

first video overview

seems nice...

but for the price i prefer the casio PX 5s, less expensive and for my use a better piano


How this be compared to the Kawai ES7 this new Yamaha? Seems to be the direct competence

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The P255 appears to be a nice upgrade to the ageing P155, however I was expecting rather more.

The iOS app looks pretty cool though, and that product overview video is very slick.

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Comparing the P255 to PX-5S (which I have) the Yamaha is probably of higher quality, if I am to be realistic. It seems to have a more solid keybed and the Yamaha grand piano voices are among the best there are, in my opinion. The PX-5S may have a wider array of sounds and more gigging features, but the P255 has the most important ones, at least for home practising.

So for those willing to up their budget over the 1.000 euros or pounds, the P255 seems a very viable option. There may be Rolands and Kawais in the same price category, that are comparable and even better, but the Yamaha will probably not be a disappointment.


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Originally Posted by Pianofeet

owners manual pdf here:


Good catch. The link for the manual is:

http://download.yamaha.com/api/asset/file/?language=en&site=uk.yamaha.com&asset_id=61387

#2214870 - 01/14/14 11:00 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Kawai James]  
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
The P255 appears to be a nice upgrade to the ageing P155, however I was expecting rather more. The iOS app looks pretty cool though, and that product overview video is very slick.


I'm not sure what I was expecting - more for less money, probably! But considering the glacial pace of advancement in the digital piano market it's not a bad upgrade to the 5-year-old P155 design: double the polyphony, better sounds, rhythm tracks, turn off the speakers option, USB-to-Device, USB-to-Host, etc. And being able to change the parameters via an iOS device is a nice touch, since touch device integration is something we're likely to see more of in the DP world. If they'd just added pitch and mod wheels they'd have sold me immediately.

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