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#2206092 - 01/01/14 12:00 AM NEW Yamaha p-255?  
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I was looking at possible alternatives for the defective keyboard in my other post, and I came across Yamaha`s schedule of events for NAMM 2014, where they mention a new digital piano announcement called the p255. Any one know anything about it?

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#2206100 - 01/01/14 12:29 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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Sounds like it uses the new CFIIS sample set they used in the CP4/CP40.

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I assume upgrade to to the 2006 P155. Better sound engine/samples like David mentioned. Action might still be GH or possibly new GH wood. Maybe decent onboard speakers that can project like a CP300 but without the huge size.

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#2206256 - 01/01/14 09:07 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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As long as we're speculating ...

Better sound engine? Yamaha hasn't introduced any such since the late 90s.

Wood keyboard? Not in this price range.

I expect only minor changes, so I'll guess that the 255 is just a 155, but with the 1 changed to a 2.

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#2206296 - 01/01/14 11:19 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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Typically, when companies come out with upgrades to to older models, the newer models tend to sell at the same price point as the older model (think iPad 1,2,3, etc).With that said, do you guys think that the p-255 will cost the same as the 155 does now? I don't really know how Yamaha world in this regard.


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#2206299 - 01/01/14 11:27 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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What about the TransAcoustic piano? It seems like a digital upright with a sounboard instead of speakers.

On a second look, it seems like an acoustic piano with digital capabilities; still, no speakers. It would be nice to see the AvantGrands with a soundboard-only system.

#2206302 - 01/01/14 11:37 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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Well... as we say here in Brazil, it will come out using a new perfume. Nothing new, no real improvement... now if the price of the P-155 drop, then, the P-155 will be a better deal. smile


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#2206352 - 01/01/14 01:09 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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The page says:

"The powerful and portable P-255 digital piano includes Pure CF Sampling from a Yamaha CFIIIS concert grand for its piano tone."

The P155 already has Pure CF sampling of a CFIIIS, so I wouldn't even assume the piano sound will be any different.

For those hoping for something revolutionary (or getting down on Yamaha for the fact that it almost certainly will not be), budget instruments are not where you should expect any kind of great advance. The P255 will probably simply be a mild updating... either an incremental improvement over the P155, or a more economized version. I just hope they don't take out the MIDI connectors.

What I'd like to see is an effective merging of the CP33 and the P155. It's a shame you have to choose between internal speakers and MIDI controller functionality, one board should be able to do both. The CP300 is too heavy.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
As long as we're speculating ...

Better sound engine? Yamaha hasn't introduced any such since the late 90s.

Wood keyboard? Not in this price range.

I expect only minor changes, so I'll guess that the 255 is just a 155, but with the 1 changed to a 2.


So true. Probably same shell as CP4 & 40 but with speakers. Yamaha figuring a way to cut cost on production.


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#2206356 - 01/01/14 01:12 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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Yes, I wonder how they could improve the P155 without pressing the price considerably upward. True, new models start with a higher price, even without much change, so the P155 might be more tempting if it drops in price. Then the marketing people at Yamaha most certainly know that.

The P95 wasn't much improvement from P85, although P105 introduced a bit more ambition quality- and featurewise. Yamaha P155 isn't exactly feature-rich, so they must think of some extra features in a possible P255. Still, I fear it will mostly be old wine on new wineskins.

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#2206407 - 01/01/14 02:55 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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Assuming YDP and P lines are basically the same board with or without the cabinet (P-105 and YDP-142; P-155 and YDP-161) I'm betting the so called P255 will be very similar to the current YDP-162, which means, aside from cosmetic changes, new sound engine and ivory key tops.

I'd also expect it to keep the $999 price tag.

#2206420 - 01/01/14 03:13 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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Typically,after these pianos are officially announced,how long before the product actually becomes available?


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#2206482 - 01/01/14 04:55 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: anotherscott]  
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
The page says:

"The powerful and portable P-255 digital piano includes Pure CF Sampling from a Yamaha CFIIIS concert grand for its piano tone."

The P155 already has Pure CF sampling of a CFIIIS, so I wouldn't even assume the piano sound will be any different.

For those hoping for something revolutionary (or getting down on Yamaha for the fact that it almost certainly will not be), budget instruments are not where you should expect any kind of great advance. The P255 will probably simply be a mild updating... either an incremental improvement over the P155, or a more economized version. I just hope they don't take out the MIDI connectors.

What I'd like to see is an effective merging of the CP33 and the P155. It's a shame you have to choose between internal speakers and MIDI controller functionality, one board should be able to do both. The CP300 is too heavy.


My guess is, joining in the speculation, that the web page quote you quote is just taken from the P155 page, and it will be updated before release to state CFX which was the tone upgrade for the CP4.

Hopefully for the same price point there will be other incremental improvements, especially the keys.

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#2206501 - 01/01/14 05:22 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: MacMacMac]  
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'll guess that the 255 is just a 155, but with the 1 changed to a 2.

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#2206507 - 01/01/14 05:36 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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GH3 and faux-ivory keys for $999 too much to ask?


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#2206524 - 01/01/14 06:11 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Psychonaut]  
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I hope it doesn't make rattling noises like the P105. This made the P105 a downgrade for many from the P95.

-I wonder if this will drive the P155 price down to clear them out- it might make it a better deal than the P255.



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#2206793 - 01/02/14 09:30 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Pete14]  
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Originally Posted by Pete14
What about the TransAcoustic piano? It seems like a digital upright with a sounboard instead of speakers.

On a second look, it seems like an acoustic piano with digital capabilities; still, no speakers. It would be nice to see the AvantGrands with a soundboard-only system.

Nobody react on this info ?
As It might interest me if they issue some new hybrid pianos..
No more info ?


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#2207619 - 01/03/14 05:04 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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It looks like the TransAcoustic concept was introduced last April at Musikmesse. It was installed on a C3X. So it is an acoustic-based hybrid (like the Disklavier); however, it will not use speakers for the digital sounds. Only a soundboard for both acoustic (piano) and digital sounds will be used. I believe this is a first.

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#2211628 - 01/09/14 04:10 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: nazanone]  
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Wow! Excellent find, but I sure hope that price tag changes...that's $1,800, nearly 1k more than the currently priced P-155.


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GH keyboard with synthetic ivory covering
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Yawn.

Buy a P-155 and get a software piano.

#2211686 - 01/09/14 05:35 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]  
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Originally Posted by carkar
Wow! Excellent find, but I sure hope that price tag changes...that's $1,800, nearly 1k more than the currently priced P-155.


This price is the actual price of P155 so nothing changed in fact.At least, in Europe.
I do not have any bloody idea, how this one particular instrument is around 40% cheaper in USA from a long time, while all others are priced more or less the same, not only from Yamaha, but also Rolands and Kawais.

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Originally Posted by kapelli
Originally Posted by carkar
Wow! Excellent find, but I sure hope that price tag changes...that's $1,800, nearly 1k more than the currently priced P-155.


This price is the actual price of P155 so nothing changed in fact.At least, in Europe.
I do not have any bloody idea, how this one particular instrument is around 40% cheaper in USA from a long time, while all others are priced more or less the same, not only from Yamaha, but also Rolands and Kawais.


Pricing makes no sense to me either. The kawai ES7 is $1999 in the US and $1075 in Japan.


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Originally Posted by carkar
Wow! Excellent find, but I sure hope that price tag changes...that's $1,800, nearly 1k more than the currently priced P-155.


European prices are different than US prices. At that website the P255 is just 59 Euros - or US $80 - more than the P155 they are still selling.

So in the USA the P255 will likely be $1100 at most.

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Doesn't look very innovative at this point--not even a third sensor. Maybe it will have really good sounds. Hopefully it will end up being the same price as the P155 also in the US. A nice little refresh for that model would be good.

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In the picture you can see a USB port to the right of the keyboard. Maybe you can record directly with the P255. Unfortunately the P155 does not allow for direct recording. Not a biggie, but something different. Probably not a big upgrade overall. I was hoping for something closer to the CP4.


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Well IF the sounds are substantially improved (we do not know yet, but it could be, with better samples and sympathetic resonance) I have nothing against such a refresh if the price remains the same. The P155 already was, and still is, despite its 'age', a solid instrument in its range, and its sound technology was its main limitation in my view.

But who knows - perhaps this is one of these 'sidegrades' so common in the electronics industry these days rather than an upgrade.

Dewster, would you like to have a go at the P255 sounds once it is out?

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They might bring out a new midrange keyboard . . . similar to one of Kawai`s. That`d be good. . . .helluvan improvement imo


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Dewster, would you like to have a go at the P255 sounds once it is out?

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So it also looks like the Yamaha P-255 will have a 3-pedal unit compatible stand:
http://www.auvisa.com/productos/busqueda.aspx?buscar=yamaha+p255

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