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Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists #2203913
12/28/13 09:53 AM
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Forgot to tell you about what my aunt and uncle thought about my CA65 when they paid us a visit before Xmas.

They only stayed with us for 4 days, so not a lot of time to play as we were touristing but we had some lovely concert nights.

First comment before they even tried it was "Why did you buy a digital piano?!!!!" followed by comments about wasting my money and getting a lot of bad habits and never being able to learn properly... etc , etc.

Not a very good introduction! At least they both knew Kawai and agreed it was a good and reliable brand.

But then they actually tried it. After a couple pieces I don't even know the names of (quite complicated, is my only way of describing them), there was a hint of a smile on my uncle's mouth and he spent maybe an hour and a half adjusting several notes individually after I told him that this piano allowed for that and reading the manual. Then he played again. Then he called my auntie to try it. They both were playing gustoso after a while. It was amazing hearing what good pianists could get out of it.

Their verdict was that they were quite surprised at how good it was "for a digital piano", specially the action, compared to some others they tried, and once I told them the price they were quite surprised and said that it definitely wasn't a waste of money, specially considering that I didn't intend to become a professional. Not completely happy about the speakers sound, but had I got the CA95 I'm sure they would have been even more positive.

They spent some more time focussing on how bad my technic is but that is not my piano's fault anyway grin ... I got some brilliant master classes and a lot of advise, so I think they earned the free accommodation smile

So not too bad! Personally I'm still very happy with it, specially now that I got all notes checked and adjusted by somebody with proper musical hear.

P.S. "Not too bad": British expression meaning that it's actually good. I know.. confusing, tell me about it!

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Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: evamar] #2203930
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Wow, good to know. Thanks for sharing.


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Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: evamar] #2203941
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Originally Posted by evamar

P.S. "Not too bad": British expression meaning that it's actually good. I know.. confusing, tell me about it!

Among the British, a double negative is far better than a single positive.

As in 'his technique isn't half bad' (= he has a truly virtuosic technique), whereas 'his technique is OK' (= his technique is cr*p).

It's the art of understatement, and 'beating about the bush', at its highest...... wink


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Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: bennevis] #2203979
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Originally Posted by bennevis


As in 'his technique isn't half bad' (= he has a truly virtuosic technique), whereas 'his technique is OK' (= his technique is cr*p).

I always thought that OK means "acceptable, but not overly good" or something like that. It's actually quite funny that one electronics store in our country ran a commercial "Our prices and quality are OK" since they apparently believe that OK means exceptionally good:-)

Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: evamar] #2203991
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"he spent maybe an hour and a half adjusting several notes individually"

I like it! It was probably in tune. Can`t be havin` that can we?? Knock it out o` tune "individually" a tad. Just like an acoustic. "Hmmmm . . .Not bad!"

The CA 65 does seem like a fine piano if you can adjust every note . . .lucky you! I think James`ll be smiling!

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Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: bennevis] #2203996
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Originally Posted by bennevis

It's the art of understatement, and 'beating about the bush', at its highest...... wink


I love such expressions.

A friend's colleague once mocked a stingy boss by saying - "His pocket is deep, but his arms are short". smile


Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: evamar] #2204002
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@peterws: I guess it was more about adjusting the volume level of individual keys - I can see why an experienced pianist would want to use this 'user key volume' function to optimize the response of the action.

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Originally Posted by maurus
@peterws: I guess it was more about adjusting the volume level of individual keys - I can see why an experienced pianist would want to use this 'user key volume' function to optimize the response of the action.

I wonder why you assert that, when in fact, just like some Roland's, individual notes can have their tuning adjusted?

Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: iceporky] #2204045
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Originally Posted by iceporky
Originally Posted by bennevis

It's the art of understatement, and 'beating about the bush', at its highest...... wink


I love such expressions.

A friend's colleague once mocked a stingy boss by saying - "His pocket is deep, but his arms are short". smile



Similarly, being in a job that requires physical fitness to do it, I have a tendency to say certain fat work colleagues who instead of admitting they're lazy, moan/lie annoyingly about having a slow metabolism are more likely to have a fast pie hand. laugh


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Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: evamar] #2204052
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Originally Posted by evamar
... I think they earned the free accommodation smile


Sure beats making the relatives wash dishes. smile

Seriously....congratulations...


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Originally Posted by iceporky
Originally Posted by bennevis

It's the art of understatement, and 'beating about the bush', at its highest...... wink


I love such expressions.

A friend's colleague once mocked a stingy boss by saying - "His pocket is deep, but his arms are short". smile



My favorite quotation along those lines was from American footballer Mike Ditka (later an accomplished coach and broadcaster), who once said of George Halas, the owner of the Chicago Bears team for which Ditka then played, that "he throws around nickels like they were manhole covers."



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Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: ClsscLib] #2204078
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For all our American cousins, look up a British sports commentator who died this week called David Coleman. The man is a legend in the sports entertainment industry both for his skill as a presenter, of which he did for over 50 years, and also for his gaffs, which are named Colemanballs after him. smile

As a taster of his prowess...

That's the fastest time ever run - but it's not as fast as the world record

The Republic of China - back in the Olympic Games for the first time

He is accelerating all the time. That last lap was run in 64 seconds and the one before in 62.

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Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: spanishbuddha] #2204095
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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
Originally Posted by maurus
@peterws: I guess it was more about adjusting the volume level of individual keys - I can see why an experienced pianist would want to use this 'user key volume' function to optimize the response of the action.

I wonder why you assert that, when in fact, just like some Roland's, individual notes can have their tuning adjusted?

I was only guessing. Perhaps it was both, only evamar can clarify. One of the crucial properties of a good action is to allow what my first teacher used to call "egaler Anschlag" - uniform touch (or some better English expression, I don't know the best translation), allowing to play scales and other figures very evenly. A trained pianist will want her/his action regulated accordingly, and the 'user key volume' feature allows this of some sort...

Of course tuning individual keys is another great feature and will also be attractive for some pianists (I certainly would love to have the feature on my Nord).

Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: spanishbuddha] #2204342
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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
Originally Posted by maurus
@peterws: I guess it was more about adjusting the volume level of individual keys - I can see why an experienced pianist would want to use this 'user key volume' function to optimize the response of the action.

I wonder why you assert that, when in fact, just like some Roland's, individual notes can have their tuning adjusted?


Quite true. I have had a Roland RD 700 NX, for over 2 years now, not only does it have this facility but like many other of the Roland range it is pre-loaded with a total of 8 classical temperaments to assist playing classical music with the correct tuning.
Personally I never use either facility, as I am happy with perfection, but they are there to use/muck about with, as I wish.

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Lovely story, thank you for sharing evamar!

Originally Posted by peterws
I think James`ll be smiling!


Indeed I am!

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Re: Kawai CA65 - Opinion from 2 Professional Pianists [Re: slipperykeys] #2205579
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Back to my own bad playing! grin

About the notes needing adjusting I think it was more the case of acoustics and reverb within the room than the original sound, but where I have the piano is really the only place I can put it. I noticed this issue with one note that sounded a bit metallic and adjusted it some time ago, but my uncle's ear is by far more exigent than mine!

Both volume and tuning can be adjusted individually. It's a brilliant feature to have just in case it's needed, as sometimes it's hard to find the best place for a piano.

I'll be inviting them again next time we move... wink


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