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Re: Dirk's piano tuner software [Re: Hamburg-D] #2200790
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Noam,

OT, but could you also elaborate on the recording setup you used for the Brahms recording?

How was the mics placed? What was the pickup pattern of the mics? Omni, cardioid?


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Originally Posted by michaelh
Wait, you're the guy with the billion dollar Hamburg Steinway D, and you're jacking with the tuning pins yourself?

I did read somewhere that tuning pins can loose their "grip" if they've been tuned too much or mistreated. Is this "safe?"

I know us proud, invincible software guys, who think we can solve the world's problems with a python script like to do everything ourselves and through Youtube, but sometimes, especially these crafty or physical things, might benefit from an actual teacher.

My new piano also goes out of tune fast. I've had it tuned every 2 months this year, but the good thing is the entire piano goes out of tune together. Of course there are unisons, but I can still play it just fine. Just that C becomes B or A.

Anyway, it costs like $140 in my area to get it tuned and I've watched my tuner take 1.5 - 2 hrs to do it. Basically it's cheaper for him to do it and then I risk thrashing my pin block, I assumed that's a risk.



Yes, absolutely but I doubt I can ruin the piano by using bad technique a few times. Perhaps over years and years I can do some damage but 1st, I'm very careful and I've seen it done a million times. And within 1 month I'm going to have someone professional give me a crash course.

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Re: Dirk's piano tuner software [Re: Hakki] #2200794
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Originally Posted by Hakki
Noam,

OT, but could you also elaborate on the recording setup you used for the Brahms recording?

How was the mics placed? What was the pickup pattern of the mics? Omni, cardioid?



absolutely my friend.

Rather than explaining mic position I just took a couple of photos.

Those are Neumann KM184 pair mics
Zoom H4n digital recorder. I'm only using the mics, not the onboard microphones on the Zoom.

So what did you think of the tuning? Acceptable?


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Originally Posted by noambenhamou
So what did you think of the tuning? Acceptable?





The piano sounds wonderful. The tuning is very acceptable. Just the way I would prefer a tuning to be.

Although the KM184's are cardioid, the spaced pair setup made your recording sound very good too.
I believe if you try the same mic placement with an Omni pair, that might even further improve the sound.
But currently it is already at a very pleasing level.

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Originally Posted by Hakki
Originally Posted by noambenhamou
So what did you think of the tuning? Acceptable?





The piano sounds wonderful. The tuning is very acceptable. Just the way I would prefer a tuning to be.

Although the KM184's are cardioid, the spaced pair setup made your recording sound very good too.
I believe if you try the same mic placement with an Omni pair, that might even further improve the sound.
But currently it is already at a very pleasing level.



what does omni pair mean? is it a type of microphone?

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Originally Posted by noambenhamou


what does omni pair mean? is it a type of microphone?


Yes, Omni pics sound in all directions and the cardioid from the front of the microphone.

Look at polar patterns in the following article for a full description.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphone

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Hi noambenhamou,

I think you tuned your piano quite decently. Of course, an important aspect of tuning is how long will it remain stable, so you will see in the coming weeks if you set the pins correctly. Since your piano is new (and thus less stable), I would think if your tuning is still reasonably OK after two months, you will have done a decent job. Keep us posted.

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Noam,
From the pictures I see the tuning hammer resting on the plate surface. Try to avoid that, it will mar the plate finish.

I also see you have a temperament strip-before you insert that into the strings-step on the damper pedal all the way and clear the dampers from the strings so you don't ruin the felts. Also as you remove it to tune unisons raise the dampers of the notes involved. The idea is to keep from crushing the tri-chord dampers when the strings are pushed sideways by the felt.

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