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Re: Scarlatti sonata [Re: A Guy] #2201170
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Well I found an extra minute for you: the 3rd Ballade is usually 6:30 or 7 min. Check your own duration though to be sure.


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Re: Scarlatti sonata [Re: A Guy] #2201171
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No, that's a practical choice, but my teacher and I have already started the liszt, I've completed notes, and both of us really like the piece.

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It's still preferable to get rid of partial sonatas, ESPECIALLY partial Beethoven sonatas. They simply do not work.


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
It's still preferable to get rid of partial sonatas, ESPECIALLY partial Beethoven sonatas. They simply do not work.


Who ever thought a partial sonata was a good idea? sick

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Perhaps in longer recitals they wouldn't work. However, this competition is split up in two rounds: one is 25 minutes, and one is 35 minutes. The complete sonata is 22 minutes. If I added the complete sonata, I would have to get rid of one of the pieces I have, excluding the haydn, since its already complete. I'm required to have an etude, and I've already started practicing the test,

@hreich: thanks. I suggested it to my teacher, and she said it was 8 minutes on her timing

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Originally Posted by JoelW
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It's still preferable to get rid of partial sonatas, ESPECIALLY partial Beethoven sonatas. They simply do not work.


Who ever thought a partial sonata was a good idea? sick

Apparently he did. laugh


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I feel as if partial sonatas work in this competition. I looked back at archived results, and many, if not most, finalists played partial sonatas.

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Originally Posted by A Guy
Perhaps in longer recitals they wouldn't work.

Partial Beethoven sonatas do not work in ANY recitals.


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Originally Posted by A Guy
I feel as if partial sonatas work in this competition. I looked back at archived results, and many, if not most, finalists played partial sonatas.

Partial Beethoven sonatas?


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
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It's still preferable to get rid of partial sonatas, ESPECIALLY partial Beethoven sonatas. They simply do not work.


Who ever thought a partial sonata was a good idea? sick

Apparently he did. laugh


I prefer to play complete sonatas. However, I feel that a partial sonata is acceptable in this competition for reasons listed above...

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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
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I feel as if partial sonatas work in this competition. I looked back at archived results, and many, if not most, finalists played partial sonatas.

Partial Beethoven sonatas?

Yes, and not just 1 movement. Many played partials such as movement 3 and 4, movement 2 and 3, etc

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Originally Posted by A Guy
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I feel as if partial sonatas work in this competition. I looked back at archived results, and many, if not most, finalists played partial sonatas.

Partial Beethoven sonatas?

Yes, and not just 1 movement. Many played partials such as movement 3 and 4, movement 2 and 3, etc

I cannot think of a Beethoven sonata which would support that kind of picking-and-choosing. Perhaps competitions don't care about things like that.


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
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I feel as if partial sonatas work in this competition. I looked back at archived results, and many, if not most, finalists played partial sonatas.

Partial Beethoven sonatas?

Yes, and not just 1 movement. Many played partials such as movement 3 and 4, movement 2 and 3, etc

I cannot think of a Beethoven sonata which would support that kind of picking-and-choosing. Perhaps competitions don't care about things like that.

Idk, but if I kept the sonata. Do you think I should play 1 or 2 Scarlatti sonatas?

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It's quite clear that some members here have never taken part in a competition - MANY have strict time limits and encourage stylistic diversity - hence the acceptance of partial sonatas.

RE: the original question, it's always better to stay away from hitting the time limit exactly, and it's good to leave everybody wanting to hear more, rather than less.

I wouldn't add in the Scarlatti because you're already using a wide variety of composers for both rounds.


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Ok thank you kuan smile btw, that's not the original question, but the second question xD

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Originally Posted by Kuanpiano
It's quite clear that some members here have never taken part in a competition - MANY have strict time limits and encourage stylistic diversity - hence the acceptance of partial sonatas.

For your information, I have taken part in many competitions, and I have never played a partial sonata in one.


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Originally Posted by A Guy
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I feel as if partial sonatas work in this competition. I looked back at archived results, and many, if not most, finalists played partial sonatas.

Partial Beethoven sonatas?

Yes, and not just 1 movement. Many played partials such as movement 3 and 4, movement 2 and 3, etc

I cannot think of a Beethoven sonata which would support that kind of picking-and-choosing. Perhaps competitions don't care about things like that.

Idk, but if I kept the sonata. Do you think I should play 1 or 2 Scarlatti sonatas?

For the reason I gave earlier, 2 would be better than 1 - but make sure you have the time. Getting cut off is not fun.


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If I remember correctly, the pair questions of Scarlatti's sonatas were raised by Ralph Kirkpatrick in his edition of Scarlatti, if you are interested. But I am not sure if this is the same "pair" question related to the competiton.

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Your mileage may vary, but most competitions which are not international-scale have enough restrictions that make programming a full sonata difficult. What can you do when you are require to present a variety of styles in just 25 minutes? You can't even perform the Liszt sonata in that time.



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Ok, thanks everyone! I have some reasons for playing Scarlatti though: I need an "opener" in both rounds, and only the Bach so far is a good opener. My teacher wants me to. And the rules do not say "the maximum time limit is 60", it just says 25 minutes+35 minutes, giving the impression that they won't cut you off if you're a little above, and that they'd prefer you didn't go under. Thoughts? I will bring up playing 2 sonatas with my teacher

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