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Re: The piano I didn't buy, but maybe you should. [Re: Jeff Clef] #2198302
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Jeff,

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Mike punches the keys, the well-known tempered tones sound forth.


You make it sound easy, but Iím not just dangling a bare line in the water.

My comments on Chinese advertising and market realities while blunt are factual. The irrelevance of sound in the marketplace vs. brand authenticity might have something to do with the thousands of pianos sold simply because they are loud, shiny, and their name rings a bell. And while the term plywood is arguable, it gets the point across and is less deceptive than grade ďAĒ spruce or meniscus coating.

As far as the SMP being somewhat arbitrary, I was quoting Larry Fine.

You are a good writer, Jeff, but after finishing with me, devoting the other half your post to a piano brand homage doesnít really help your objectivity.

And then thereís you and Karl commiserating over my wickedness, speculating on my roguishness, and congratulating each other on your restraint. Smite the wicked? Are you guys serious? Wait, don't answer that.

Anyway, if there is a method to my madness it is stick with facts and ignore the trash talk:

ď shows your total ignorance of the reality, personally attacking a particular pair of brands, blathering on about a piano of which you have no knowledge, mental, rogue, I think you smoked one too many, lobbing feces, don't have a clue about what you are talking about, cheap rethorics about China are worth less then a dime, a ridiculous statement, you are obviously paranoid, moron, was a member of his family injured by a Chinese person or persons, is there a rational explanation for this venom, buffoon, the contributions of MC are hysterical and mental, appallingly bad manners, Mike Carr . . . he doing a pretty miserable job, plan nine from outer space, juvenile, Be a man or listen to your landlord Jeb play it,Ē etc.

Iím not sure whose feelings you say are being hurt, who is showing restraint, or who is trolling, and while it's all pretty heroic stuff, all I see is that everyone seems to be having a good time.

Anyway, if casual observers were to read this thread they'd marvel at a tiny mob of piano cultists and didacts ineffectively chasing me around, that doozy of a beginning with Mr. Second to Nobody describing the inner workings of a piano store heís never been in, but the final and most intriguing question, the one that would leave most folks scratching their heads?

Who in the **** is Jeb?

Mike


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Re: The piano I didn't buy, but maybe you should. [Re: Jolly] #2198365
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Re: The piano I didn't buy, but maybe you should. [Re: Mike Carr] #2198375
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Originally Posted by Mike Carr
Jeff,

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Mike punches the keys, the well-known tempered tones sound forth.


You make it sound easy, but Iím not just dangling a bare line in the water.

My comments on Chinese advertising and market realities while blunt are factual. The irrelevance of sound in the marketplace vs. brand authenticity might have something to do with the thousands of pianos sold simply because they are loud, shiny, and their name rings a bell. And while the term plywood is arguable, it gets the point across and is less deceptive than grade ďAĒ spruce or meniscus coating.

As far as the SMP being somewhat arbitrary, I was quoting Larry Fine.

You are a good writer, Jeff, but after finishing with me, devoting the other half your post to a piano brand homage doesnít really help your objectivity.

And then thereís you and Karl commiserating over my wickedness, speculating on my roguishness, and congratulating each other on your restraint. Smite the wicked? Are you guys serious? Wait, don't answer that.

Anyway, if there is a method to my madness it is stick with facts and ignore the trash talk:

ď shows your total ignorance of the reality, personally attacking a particular pair of brands, blathering on about a piano of which you have no knowledge, mental, rogue, I think you smoked one too many, lobbing feces, don't have a clue about what you are talking about, cheap rethorics about China are worth less then a dime, a ridiculous statement, you are obviously paranoid, moron, was a member of his family injured by a Chinese person or persons, is there a rational explanation for this venom, buffoon, the contributions of MC are hysterical and mental, appallingly bad manners, Mike Carr . . . he doing a pretty miserable job, plan nine from outer space, juvenile, Be a man or listen to your landlord Jeb play it,Ē etc.

Iím not sure whose feelings you say are being hurt, who is showing restraint, or who is trolling, and while it's all pretty heroic stuff, all I see is that everyone seems to be having a good time.

Anyway, if casual observers were to read this thread they'd marvel at a tiny mob of piano cultists and didacts ineffectively chasing me around, that doozy of a beginning with Mr. Second to Nobody describing the inner workings of a piano store heís never been in, but the final and most intriguing question, the one that would leave most folks scratching their heads?

Who in the **** is Jeb?

Mike





Originally Posted by Mike Carr
You do not need a contractual or signed agreement to prove collusion or conspiracy regarding antitrust law. The concept of agreement in antitrust doctrine is far removed from the law of contracts and can be proven with direct or circumstantial evidence. Waterboarding, hooking a field telephone to defendantsí appliances, or forced listening to Yma Sumac records are also options. In a practical sense, itís important to avoid conduct which might be construed as an agreement. Anti-poaching by-laws or ethics codes endorsing customer ownership would likely fit that conduct.

And remember, this action is not aimed at music teachers, it is against the trade organization. Trade organizations, by their nature, an organization of competitors, are petri dishes for anti-competition investigators, the salmonella of anti-trust doctrine.

The only intent the plaintiff has to prove, in a per se anti-trust violation, is the intent to enter into the violation. State of mind or intent to harm are not required.

As a side issue the poster who mentioned frying small businesses now leads me to believe that the anti-poaching clause might have been used in a cooking or possibly hunting lexicon. How would you poach piano students? Straight up water or maybe a butter sauce? I never thought the meat would be that tough to begin with but as with all stringent meat, say tri-tip or brisket, I favor an overnight marinade in the fridge or possibly a shallow dish on the counter covered with cheesecloth.

As for hunting, I was not aware there was a season for piano students. How do you go about it? Sprinkle a little corn on your front lawn? Or do you need a poster of a Steinway in the window to lure them in. Maybe speakers playing Chopin hidden strategically in the bushes will work. But if they are in season, Iím all for hunting them. I heard there is a ready market for the piano students' teeth in China. Chinese piano makers claim that when hand-matched and fitted together the teeth make great piano keys, easily cleaned with pepsodent or dentu-crŤme.

I discussed this with my neighbor, Jeb Harlan (I often help him haul down the confederate battle flag he flies off his front porch so he can sleep in it), whoís 112 and of the mind that itís all an Obama conspiracy to get rid of music, Christmas carols in particular, so he can replace them with Islamic chants. Jebís also against high fructose syrups and fluoride in the water system.

Mike




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Re: The piano I didn't buy, but maybe you should. [Re: Minnesota Marty] #2198380
12/16/13 09:09 AM
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Mr. Carr,

I'm not sure what "setiments" are, but your reference is hubristically unaware.

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"setiments" are feelings that settle in the lowest places of the heart.


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Re: The piano I didn't buy, but maybe you should. [Re: Jeff Clef] #2198413
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Dear Jeff:

What a wonderful reply and a totally sound conclusion. To paraphrase Gary Graffman - "(we) really should be practising."

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Re: The piano I didn't buy, but maybe you should. [Re: Jolly] #2198424
12/16/13 11:08 AM
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"...devoting the other half your post to a piano brand homage doesnít really help your objectivity..."

Worse: I think I actually made an error of fact. The Cunningham model that features an integrated computer system--- which I think is a great idea--- is an upright model; the one discussed in this thread is a grand. Never played either, no opinion on the sound or playability. Nor has Cunningham ever prepped any piano of mine, but they do have the reputation of exceeding the baseline. When we hear the phrase, "leaf-blower renovation" so many times, it does not suggest that the industry-wide standard is necessarily all that high, but it is comforting--- isn't it?--- when we're assured that "the mouse is included; no extra charge."

"...Who in the **** is Jeb?..."

Jeb Bush? Jed Clampett? Lots of things in this thread didn't really make sense; I just figured it was another cutting remark made with a knife that was too dull.

"...Iím not sure whose feelings you say are being hurt, who is showing restraint, or who is trolling, and while it's all pretty heroic stuff, all I see is that everyone seems to be having a good time..."

Well, you have raised Cunningham's profile a notch or two---at least around here and maybe on Google; that is one effect... and that is the one party I haven't heard complaining. Maybe--- probably--- it's the custom of hunters at a turkey shoot not to consider how the turkeys feel about it. If we admire the sharpshooter's aim, we can still feel for the collateral damage... but now we've strayed from Jeb to Cheney's hunting buddy. You've stated yourself that the gobblers are running around and squawking--- ("Ouch! That was real buckshot!")--- I don't think you can have your turkey loaf and eat it, too.

"...Anyway, if casual observers were to read this thread they'd marvel at a tiny mob of piano cultists and didacts ineffectively chasing me around..."

Ok. So you're putting it on the footing of touch football, rather than blood sport. I see why I didn't get it: it was those compulsory pep rallys in high school; they backfired badly. I've hated football ever since, and my sporting sense is not very well developed. I tend to think of these things more in the light of provoking fights while driving on the public highways, where things can turn into blood sport before we can fairly get the last word in.

Well, it's Monday morning, and I have a life to go to.


Clef

Re: The piano I didn't buy, but maybe you should. [Re: Jolly] #2198523
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Rich owes Mike a steak dinner for all the positive publicity he's gotten out of this thread from people defending him and his piano against Mike.

That is, if he isn't already on the payroll... smokin


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Re: The piano I didn't buy, but maybe you should. [Re: Jolly] #2198754
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Re: The piano I didn't buy, but maybe you should. [Re: Minnesota Marty] #2198760
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Aww. Why the name calling? You still smarting from our little tiff? But thanks for the compliment.

In the next thrilling episode, Rich kindly recieves two strangers from the west, and calls home to announce, er, guess who's coming to dinner?

Mike


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Re: The piano I didn't buy, but maybe you should. [Re: Jolly] #2198772
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The thread that was not locked, but maybe should have been... was... is...

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