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#2196776 - 12/12/13 11:36 PM I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead...  
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If someone offered me a choice of a root canal or diagnosing a key click on an Acrosonic...

I thought it would be a ten minute repair. Of course, being a spinet, I had to take everything apart just to see what was wrong, and it was a missing hammer butt felt. 30 seconds to reglue, and over 2 hours to put everything back together...the fallboard was the hardest.

Next time, I'm phoning the doc for the root canal.

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#2196796 - 12/13/13 01:03 AM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: Greg the Piano Tuner]  
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Long tweezers and a grand spring adjuster to hold the jack out of the way, a strategically placed strong light helps. Even in those spinets with thick wood stickers. Worked every time without taking anything apart.

Missing butt felt makes possibly the loudest click of all and has a tone quality all it's own. It's one of those clicks that only sounds on the release of the note.

The fallboard has crisscross metal strips but it's still only two screws to take it off. As I remember. Lifting it slightly at the back allows it to come forward an inch to give better access to the 2 screws that hold the nameboard on.


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#2196806 - 12/13/13 01:42 AM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: Greg the Piano Tuner]  
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A long enough hemostat can really help you place a new butt felt into an action in situ. It can also be used to pull any tufts of remaining felt away to prepare the butt for the new felt.


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#2196884 - 12/13/13 07:28 AM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT]  
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The needle in the end of your chop stick voicing tool can get the felt in place as well. Just stab the needle into the felt, get it under the butt, and just a small screwdriver to hold the felt while removing the needle. This is where a headlamp is useful for good light.

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#2196902 - 12/13/13 08:19 AM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: Greg the Piano Tuner]  
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The instructions for removing an Acrosonic action come in really handy, plus the right equipment.


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#2196925 - 12/13/13 09:08 AM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: BDB]  
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BDB - Do you have a copy of spinet action removal instructions you would share with us? Your suggesting of the correct equipment to use would be appreciated as well.

Michael Staples

#2196929 - 12/13/13 09:15 AM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: Greg the Piano Tuner]  
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I wrote them here once, so you might try a search. If you can find it, I will add it to my list of useful posts that I have made for quick reference, and I can bring it up again quickly if the question arises in the future.


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#2197028 - 12/13/13 12:51 PM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: BDB]  
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Originally Posted by BDB
I wrote them here once, so you might try a search. If you can find it, I will add it to my list of useful posts that I have made for quick reference, and I can bring it up again quickly if the question arises in the future.


Find it quick before you have to look through 20,000 posts! laugh


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#2197369 - 12/14/13 07:10 AM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: Greg the Piano Tuner]  
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Great advice, everyone. I'm very grateful.

#2197725 - 12/14/13 09:40 PM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: Greg the Piano Tuner]  
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I have grown used to dealing with spinets. Removing the stupid action to fix something, takes time. And even when you make the repair, put it all back together, and tune the thing, It's STILL a spinet! These things should never have been invented.


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#2197840 - 12/15/13 06:21 AM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: Greg the Piano Tuner]  
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8-inch tweezers are your friend. I've replaced butt squares and reglued loose jacks on spinets in minutes. A good light helps. Block the jack out of the way while you're working, then once you're done, release it and let it hold the butt square in place while the glue finishes setting.


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#2197841 - 12/15/13 06:27 AM Re: I'd Choose the Root Canal Instead... [Re: MStaples]  
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Originally Posted by MStaples
BDB - Do you have a copy of spinet action removal instructions you would share with us? Your suggesting of the correct equipment to use would be appreciated as well.

Michael Staples


On the Thayer type action designs where the wooden lifter arms are fastened to a rail, I remove the keys. To protect them, I remove the last damper in the bass section and the first in the tenor; this way they won't catch on the action bolt. Then just tilt the action toward you and lift it out like any other action.

On actions with lifter wires, I unhook them and tie them to the action with a length of yarn, remove the keys, and lift the action out.

Speaking of lifter wires, the ones held in place with rubber grommets make it necessary to check the condition of the grommets! Lots of times moving them causes old, hardened grommets to crumble into dust. At that point, talk to the customer about extensive repairs before doing touching it!


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