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interesting Steinway selection.... #2196719
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Interesting to watch this selection process in Hamburg.

Listen in carefully: can predict which pianos will be 'winners'?

Have fun!



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Re: interesting Steinway selection.... [Re: Norbert] #2196730
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White tie and tails?

I'm speechless!


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Re: interesting Steinway selection.... [Re: Norbert] #2196773
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White tie and tails?


Don't you know anybody working at Hamburg Steinway has to be concert pianist himself?

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Re: interesting Steinway selection.... [Re: Norbert] #2196801
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Boy, the piano concert giving profession is certainly far beyond market saturation if this is the case Norbert.


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
White tie and tails?

I'm speechless!


Marty, I'm shocked. Whatever do you wear in the evening?

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Its a dirty job but someone's gotta do it wink

Now the question is, would a lay person or an occasional hobbyist player be able to discern any differences between several pianos from the same batch?


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Re: interesting Steinway selection.... [Re: Jean Claude] #2196938
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Originally Posted by Jean Claude
Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
White tie and tails?

I'm speechless!


Marty, I'm shocked. Whatever do you wear in the evening?

J-C, well, I was assuming it was a daytime shopping trip. I would wear black tie for the occasion, unless an early dinner was planned and then I would choose a grey cutaway.


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Re: interesting Steinway selection.... [Re: LarryShone] #2196955
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Originally Posted by LarryShone

Now the question is, would a lay person or an occasional hobbyist player be able to discern any differences between several pianos from the same batch?


Sure you can, they vary a lot more than you think.

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...and a "D" which can be found on 97% of the worlds concert halls. Now THAT is market saturation.


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Originally Posted by Jean Claude
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White tie and tails?

I'm speechless!


Marty, I'm shocked. Whatever do you wear in the evening?

J-C, well, I was assuming it was a daytime shopping trip. I would wear black tie for the occasion, unless an early dinner was planned and then I would choose a grey cutaway.


Thank heavens! I feel entirely reassured.

J-C.

Re: interesting Steinway selection.... [Re: Norbert] #2197058
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What happens to the remaining pianos that aren't perfect? Dealer prep?


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Originally Posted by kippesc
What happens to the remaining pianos that aren't perfect? Dealer prep?


For auto dealerships they have a saying "there is an a.s.s for every seat"

Someone will like the other pianos. They are not necessarily not as good, but probably.

That's why it's not a good idea to go to selection towards the end of the year. All the "bad" pianos have been skipped over and they are all that is left.

In my opinion the hamburgs are all good, but they are still different from one another. It really depends what they will be used for.

But in my personal opinion, a D should always be a "monster" and be capable of filling a large hall with sound. If not, what's the point of it being a D?

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I liked the mellow one(for my home)but I can hear the differences and understand the gentleman's explanation for choosing different sounding pianos for their particular situations..I didn't hear "bad" ones..
no humbugs from those Hamburg's! smile

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Mellow D is good for a home, but you can always tame a monster. Cant make a monster out of a dud.

Some pianos just cannot produce big sound no matter how much you harden the hammers. The sound starts to break up at certain volume and doesn't sound good. This has to do with the individual soundboard, rim, bearings etc...

I read this in an article a while back.

One method is to press the sustain pedal and thump on the bottom of the keybed with equal strength on each piano. The piano that resonates the most at higher volume has the potential to be louder.

This article also makes a good point that even while choosing a D for your home, you never know one day if you need to sell it, it will most likely sell to a concert hall, so having capability for big sound is a must.

Once the piano is at your home you can always raise the hammer line and or soften the hammers to make it more appropriate for a small space.

Re: interesting Steinway selection.... [Re: Norbert] #2197111
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The pianos chosen were just the personal preference of the people doing the choosing. Other professionals might just as easily choose different pianos or even hear the pianos very differently from the pianists in the video.

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Originally Posted by ando
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Now the question is, would a lay person or an occasional hobbyist player be able to discern any differences between several pianos from the same batch?


Sure you can, they vary a lot more than you think.

Yea I can believe it. Like acoustic guitars, pianos are very organic. I just never imagined there would be that much difference between pianos from the same factory. But its all down to the wood isnt it.
Boy would I like to visit that kind of factory!


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Re: interesting Steinway selection.... [Re: Hamburg-D] #2197173
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I suppose this must be the article you have read?:

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Nothing against a Hamburg Steinway but I find this video showing us more in depth the chosing of a concert grand:

Kimiko Ishizaka chooses her Bösendorfer

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Originally Posted by LarryStephone
Yea I can believe it. Like acoustic guitars, pianos are very organic. I just never imagined there would be that much difference between pianos from the same factory. But its all down to the wood isn't it.
Besides natural variances in the wood there are factors like consistency of production, different voicing done on purpose to appeal to different customers, differences due to the different people working on the piano for a particular step, etc.

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Originally Posted by schwammerl
Nothing against a Hamburg Steinway but I find this video showing us more in depth the chosing of a concert grand:

Kimiko Ishizaka chooses her Bösendorfer

schwammerl.


That IS a very nice video of a careful selection and I was surprised that the recording does indeed capture the details she talks about (to some extent). But to be fair, her repertoire was a (beautiful but) rather narrow one, not probing certain areas of these wonderful pianos...

PS. Sorry to say but the video in the OP is actually just an advertising video and does not tell you much about the individual pianos.


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