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Not only has the tuning not changed in that recording, the comments have not either.
On the other hand, that piano has been tuned 4 or 5 times since that was made.
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I may have lost some of my goodwill energy, may be.
I don't do much concert work those days indeed. You would it be you had to listen to numerous samples of my work so you could admit how great I am...
You can stay sitting, no problem. Beside, I am presumptuous as all Frenchies probably.
With all due respect to honorable colleagues...
Isaac, you sayin you're a hazbin? No no no. That accolade belongs to me and I'm not ready to relinquish it yet. Just a little longer???
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Thanks for posting, BDB. It sounds good as one would expect in a broadcast recording. Kawais of that era did not have the best of bridge caps. That could contribute to the short sustain, also contamination such as some kind of muck that we don't really see but is there. If you are a tuner asked to tune a piano for an event like this, there are some things you can't change on the spot. Leave to Isaac, however to not find anything nice to say about anyone's efforts.
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About 20 minutes in there's a nice piano solo. Nice job BDB! The piano sounded marvelous!
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Does the pianist not have at least something to say about it? It's not like he's poking around on an old Underwood. He takes the best that the tuner can provide with what he has to work with and creates his desire with very specific skills at his finger tips. I must confess to not listening again, I started to but refused to pick through all the talking but the pianist can do much more than we think. The sustain varies very subtly from note to note in all pianos. A stage piano doesn't always get the maintenance it should and equality of sustain suffers. while there are ways of poking through the strings with a long needle to obtain more sustain from the hammer, tuning on the day of a big production like this rarely allows for any refinement. I have to sincerely question isaacs experience of this kind of work. He claims to know but his comments show a distinct lack of understanding. There's more of self promotion in his nit picking criticism. I would expect sympathy with the situation from a real fellow professional. He sounds to me like a really talented amateur who hangs around the profession and then totally falls apart when the real job has to be done. I've known quite a few. rxd, I think that only a boor would direct those words to a technician as Isaac, and I do not see how that style can help to describe our work. I think you ought to apologize. .
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Does the pianist not have at least something to say about it? It's not like he's poking around on an old Underwood. He takes the best that the tuner can provide with what he has to work with and creates his desire with very specific skills at his finger tips. I must confess to not listening again, I started to but refused to pick through all the talking but the pianist can do much more than we think. The sustain varies very subtly from note to note in all pianos. A stage piano doesn't always get the maintenance it should and equality of sustain suffers. while there are ways of poking through the strings with a long needle to obtain more sustain from the hammer, tuning on the day of a big production like this rarely allows for any refinement. I have to sincerely question isaacs experience of this kind of work. He claims to know but his comments show a distinct lack of understanding. There's more of self promotion in his nit picking criticism. I would expect sympathy with the situation from a real fellow professional. He sounds to me like a really talented amateur who hangs around the profession and then totally falls apart when the real job has to be done. I've known quite a few. rxd, I think that only a boor would direct those words to a technician as Isaac, and I do not see how that style can help to describe our work. I think you ought to apologize. . I quite agree and understand fully where you're coming from and the emotional content carried over from other threads. - an all too common occurrence. Since you raised the issue again, It took a few words in order to address an ongoing problem. A totally unfounded, unnecessary and pretentious criticism of a compressed recording couldn't go unchallenged at the same level. Am I to assume that you agree with isaacs original "criticism" when he himself posted later an admission that he really couldn't tell the difference between what was the piano and what was the tuning and then delete that post a few hours later? I suggest you read the complete thread. It's all there and doesn't need the deleted parts to be indefensible. Constructive criticism-Yes. Self serving, Ill considered boorish and unfounded carping,- a resounding No.
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When I first began piano tuning it was rare for a technician to tune for another or to seek out other tuners opinion of their work. Then some brave souls such as Jim Colemen Sr., Jack Caskey, and a few others I am forgetting at the moment would present programs where they tuned for the attendees. We have progressed in openness.
Thanks for posting the clip BDB.
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Those of us who tune for performances are always putting our tunings on display, although it is usually fairly anonymous. I have tuned that piano for a movie, where I am fairly certain that I did not get credit. (I have not seen it, and heard it was not very good. The plot seemed stupid.) I will tune it one more time this year for New Year's Eve.
I got curious, and found that there are a number of videos with pianos that I had tuned on YouTube. Many of them are amateur recordings and they do not sound very good, although the tuning seems adequate. There are better recordings of many performances which remain locked in the vaults until who knows when, the archival recordings of performances.
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I have to sincerely question isaacs experience of this kind of work. He claims to know but his comments show a distinct lack of understanding. There's more of self promotion in his nit picking criticism. I would expect sympathy with the situation from a real fellow professional. He sounds to me like a really talented amateur who hangs around the profession and then totally falls apart when the real job has to be done. I've known quite a few. rxd: Was you drunk or what?
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I have to sincerely question isaacs experience of this kind of work. He claims to know but his comments show a distinct lack of understanding. There's more of self promotion in his nit picking criticism. I would expect sympathy with the situation from a real fellow professional. He sounds to me like a really talented amateur who hangs around the profession and then totally falls apart when the real job has to be done. I've known quite a few. rxd: Was you drunk or what? I've known a lot of people like you, too. Go back and educate yourself with the details. It's about making crass judgements then admitting not enough knowledge of the situation and looking foolish. Sound familiar? Oh, and I don't have a reason to drink.
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rxd... sounds like a model of car...
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"...rxd... sounds like a model of car..."
lluis, if you can't support your argument by anything better than an outright ad hominem attack, you would do better to keep silent. It's not the kind of board where such is tolerated for long.
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rxd... sounds like a model of car... .......and faster than most.
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"...rxd... sounds like a model of car..."
lluis, if you can't support your argument by anything better than an outright ad hominem attack, you would do better to keep silent. It's not the kind of board where such is tolerated for long. Yes, you are right. But, FIRST, I think, Mr. rxd must clarify (apologize) his unjustified attacks against Mr. Olek.
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I think Mr Oleg makes attacks on others all the time. It is hard to tell, because his writing is so unclear. Because of his poor writing, I consider everything he says to be unjustified, in the most literal sense of the word. I tend to ignore him, except when what he says may be construed as harmful, which is pretty often, unfortunately.
I do not understand what he said about the sustain of the piano. I think the sustain of that piano is about par for a 45 year old Kawai. New strings and hammers would help, I know, but they are not in the budget, except for those strings which have been replaced as they break, which do not count. I ignored his comment, but it seems to have poisoned other people's perception.
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"...rxd... sounds like a model of car..."
lluis, if you can't support your argument by anything better than an outright ad hominem attack, you would do better to keep silent. It's not the kind of board where such is tolerated for long. Yes, you are right. But, FIRST, I think, Mr. rxd must clarify (apologize) his unjustified attacks against Mr. Olek. Then, why didn't you simply say that in the first place?
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I have to sincerely question isaacs experience of this kind of work. He claims to know but his comments show a distinct lack of understanding. There's more of self promotion in his nit picking criticism. I would expect sympathy with the situation from a real fellow professional. He sounds to me like a really talented amateur who hangs around the profession and then totally falls apart when the real job has to be done. I've known quite a few. rxd: Was you drunk or what? I've known a lot of people like you, too. Really? Do you know me, TOO? We can begin FIRST for this sentence. (Me, and other, are waiting for your apologizes too, FIRST).
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"...rxd... sounds like a model of car..."
lluis, if you can't support your argument by anything better than an outright ad hominem attack, you would do better to keep silent. It's not the kind of board where such is tolerated for long. Yes, you are right. But, FIRST, I think, Mr. rxd must clarify (apologize) his unjustified attacks against Mr. Olek. Querulant alert. Kees
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rxd... sounds like a model of car... .......and faster than most. And still with plastic parts.
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Maybe RXD is a new McLaren model. Bet that has gobs of carbon fiber in it!
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