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Concert Grands and Poodles
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A few weeks ago I achieved my dream of purchasing a dream piano, a new Steingraeber E-272 concert grand. Regarding the piano itself, everything is fantastic. The problem is with my pet Boris Poodle. To put things bluntly, there have been some tiddlings. Not thank goodness on the piano, but rather in the hallway always late at night. I have been spending a lot of time at the piano (when not at work) rather than sitting on the sofa cuddling Boris quite so much. I have been giving him additional walkies and treats. Never was a problem with the old Steinway but that was already in the house when Boris arrived. Boris initially beds in the hallway on his mattress but quickly migrates into the living room which is not off limits to him. Any advice welcome.


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Originally Posted by kalee21
A few weeks ago I achieved my dream of purchasing a dream piano, a new Steingraeber E-272 concert grand. Regarding the piano itself, everything is fantastic. The problem is with my pet Boris Poodle. To put things bluntly, there have been some tiddlings. Not thank goodness on the piano, but rather in the hallway always late at night. I have been spending a lot of time at the piano (when not at work) rather than sitting on the sofa cuddling Boris quite so much. I have been giving him additional walkies and treats. Never was a problem with the old Steinway but that was already in the house when Boris arrived. Boris initially beds in the hallway on his mattress but quickly migrates into the living room which is not off limits to him. Any advice welcome.


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He loves you more than the piano, probably just needs some more time with you for a while to get him over the hump.


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Doggies are such social, loving creatures.
He is probably insecure.
You really should make a pedestal bed for him. One that sits high at key level. Set it right next to your piano stool. Then he can be right there with you when you play.


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kalee21 #2196221 12/11/13 06:15 PM
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Contrary to popular belief, dogs do not have human feelings of jealousy or revenge. Could be something as simple as a urinary tract infection. Get him checked out.


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Contrary to popular belief, dogs do not have human feelings of jealousy or revenge. Could be something as simple as a urinary tract infection. Get him checked out.


I agree. Rule out anything physical before looking into the physiological. It’s true that dogs don’t reason in the same terms of human emotions, but they can become anxious about the unfamiliar. That said, some breeds/individual dogs are very sensitive to changes in their environment. There may be something about the new piano that Boris finds unsettling. It might be the different smell, the sound, the visual footprint. Dogs’ sense of smell is light years beyond ours, as is their hearing. The fact that Boris is urinating in the house when he hasn’t previously may be the manifestation of his unease. You probably already know that you shouldn’t scold him. A dog that is housebroken doesn’t become “unhousebroken” for no reason.

Assuming that there are no physical reasons for his urination, you may have to condition him that the new piano is the source of good things. Whatever his high value reward, maybe a special food treat, or a specific toy, condition Boris to relate the piano to his special reward. It may take a little more effort for you in the beginning, but helping him past his unrest will make you both happier, not to mention no more puddles in the house.


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Many thanks everyone,
I am trying to get Boris used to the steingraeber, I believe its power was something of a surprise for him. I have adopted PattyP's reward suggestion and his favourite sofa is very close to the piano. I will try him with the old piano stool like rnaple suggests. He never gets scolded, just the word no, but you can only use that immediately you see something. Lets see. He seems happy and healthy.

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First of all congratulations! I heard recordings of the steingraeber and it sounds like a fantastic piano.

Having recently purchased my dream piano myself, and also owning a small dog I have thought of the what if he pees on the piano as well.

Here is what I came up with:
First of all, your dog is part of your family so obviously getting rid of the dog is out of the question! Obviously!!
Secondly, its not like he could ever pee on the keys or the strings or the soundboard. Just the legs. They are just leg! You could always buy new legs if there ever was an accident you could not recover from. That is where I'm at with my thinking.

A dog is a dog and you never know what would happen. My dog never did his business in the house but hey, things happen.

If the dog seems to gravitate towards the piano and marking it as its own, you can fence the piano area, or wrap some towels around the lower parts of the legs I guess.

Hey, if your dog ever pees on the legs take it as a compliment, your doggie has good taste hahaha. Expensive taste smile

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Originally Posted by dynamobt
Contrary to popular belief, dogs do not have human feelings of jealousy or revenge. Could be something as simple as a urinary tract infection. Get him checked out.



Hahaha. How do you know this? Are you a dog?

I don't want to start an argument and I do respect your opinion and understand that many believe as you do, but coming from a dog owner, let us have our bliss in our ignorance and don't say such things smile. Hahaha. Capish?

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Contrary to popular belief, dogs do not have human feelings of jealousy or revenge. Could be something as simple as a urinary tract infection. Get him checked out.


Based on my experience, I disagree. My old Mastiff was brilliant, my current English bulldog has a preference for composers. Dogs are pretty adept...

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If I may misquote slightly, 'Four legs good, three legs better'. If I were you I would take Boris walkies down Battersea way; that'll give the brute something to think about.

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Hello everyone,
I must say that this evening we had a dry night!
During the evening I played him 16/17C organ music at modest dynamic levels (no sustain used, just occasional sostenuto), he sat on his sofa, crossed his paws and did not mind that at all.
Boris does not tinkle on the piano ever. He seemed to respond to "oh dear, what a dirty boy", his tail went down and he was unhappy for a minute.
He was then petted and returned to his normal jolly disposition. I think he will get over this, i do not think he will become a Piddle Poodle.

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"...Contrary to popular belief, dogs do not have human feelings of jealousy or revenge..."

Well, it is true that cats are more vengeful--- as such--- when displeased. But I do not see how any of us is in a position to know what a dog thinks. I know that they do think, and feel. Anyone who has seen an expression of embarrassment on a dog's face--- which is hilarious, I say with mixed feelings--- could not doubt it. They dream, they anticipate, they clearly express feelings of joy, depression, fear, boredom, contentment, recognition, love, suspicion, and yes, jealousy. And even when neutered, they retain recognizably masculine or feminine characters. I don't know that I would say that they are human feelings, but they are certainly like enough to be clearly similar... though they still retain their mysteries.

"...Could be something as simple as a urinary tract infection. Get him checked out..."

This is sensible, and could hurt nothing but the purse. But I think the OP already knows what the problem is, and already knows that the solution is to address the animal's emotional life so as to assure him of his place in the new order. For the meantime, guarding the legs and lyre--- maybe with a plastic wrap--- overnight could not really hurt anything. I think the crisis will pass of its own. In fact, I predict that soon, the dog will come to see the new piano as an object of guardianship, as good dogs do.


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Originally Posted by noambenhamou
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Contrary to popular belief, dogs do not have human feelings of jealousy or revenge. Could be something as simple as a urinary tract infection. Get him checked out.



Hahaha. How do you know this? Are you a dog?

I don't want to start an argument and I do respect your opinion and understand that many believe as you do, but coming from a dog owner, let us have our bliss in our ignorance and don't say such things smile. Hahaha. Capish?


I am a dog owner too. Believe what you want regarding canine behavior. I worked at a rescue devoted to Dobermans for years and trained dogs professionally. I hope the OP solves the problem. I simply wanted to emphasize rule out physial problems before assuming complicated behavior issues.


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Could it be that the new sound is discomforting him? The Steingraebers that I played were much louder than other grands of that size.


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Yes. They do tend to have thinner piercing trebles. Your dog might find that unnerving.

As Beecham said when a horse defecated on stage during a grand opera; "not good manners but gad, what a critic"!


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Beecham was know to scare the crap out of musicians-why would it be any different for a horse!


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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
Beecham was know to scare the crap out of musicians-why would it be any different for a horse!


There were still people who knew him and worked for him when I was a young professional musician. They never said a word against him.

Tommy was a genial man who hand picked his principal players who in turn hand picked their sections. He would cajole rather than bully the best out of his personal musicians. He could make some cutting remarks that were so side splittingly funny that nobody could hold a grudge. He was know for looking after older musicians who were no longer on top of their game. He never had women in his orchestra, nobody ever did in his day but his reasoning was that if they were pretty, it would disturb his musicians. If they were ugly, it would disturb him. You could say things like that as little as 50 years ago.

I walk past his house every time I go to Abbey Road. He lived opposite AlmaTadema's house.

On the other hand, there were, indeed, conductors who had childish tempers. The unions were strong in those days so they had to turn their tantrums inward, one even stomped on his own wristwatch. If they ever tried to insult a musician, the rehearsal was stopped and the union was called in. Some of those stories never happened. There are some conductors think they can get away with it today but with so many player-governed orchestras they are fools.

On the third hand, some of Tommys' legendary witticisms were apocryphal. One music critic confessed years later to making some of them up himself.... That's easy to say after the fact.
We'll never know...,


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Well I just hope that the remark about the lady cellist is authentic Beecham.

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Originally Posted by Jean Claude


Well I just hope that the remark about the lady cellist is authentic Beecham.


That level of humour would have been way beneath a man of his acuity but it does sound like the sort of thing a music critics' mentality might come up with. Some of them are failed food critics.


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