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Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording #2191985
12/03/13 04:43 PM
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Hello guys,

I'm new here and couldn't find the solution to my problem via the search function, so please don't be angry with me if my problem has been discussed somewhere else already.

Well I have a Casio Privia PX-120 Piano and now wanted to record my playing as a MIDI file on my computer. I bought one of these MIDI-to-USB adapters, plugged the MIDI-OUT to MIDI-IN port and vice versa. The driver for the USB device was installed successfully as well. As recording software I use MIDI4All and Red Dot Forever.

Well in general it works. When I play some music, it's being transferred and recorded to my PC and I can listen to it etc.

The problem now is, that somehow it seems only records one tone at a time. When I play something where only one key is pressed at a time it works perfectly. But when I play some ordinary stuff involving accords etc., like pressing multiple keys, it only records one tone and the other tones are being played some time later (I couldn't really figure out the pattern to be honest).
All in all, this leads to a very distorted recording, where notes are being played that should have been played at an earlier point. Somehow it seems that the tone is played, when I press and release the "stuck" key again.

In the MIDI4All programme you can actually see live which keys are being pressed at the moment. So when I press an accord only one of the keys goes back to normal while the other two remain pressed the whole time until I hit them again.

I have absolutely no clue why this is happening. I checked the MIDI settings of my Casio, returned all the settings back to factory settings, the sending channel is 01 (out of 16) and yeah basically I don't know what else I can try.

I hope you guys can help me somehow.
If needed, I can provide a sound sample or some screenshots of this matter.

Many thanks in advance,

Tom-chan

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Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: Tom-chan] #2192086
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It's hard to tell whether the recording programs or the PX120 is failing, or even the MIDI cable. If you record straight to the memory of the keyboard, does it seem to record normally? The manual is actually not clear on how you can save a recording already saved in the piano's memory to a computer.

http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/px_120_01_e.pdf

Still you should be able to play it back on the piano and you should notice if it's somewhat different. I have a newer Casio and one of the recordings I made as MIDI, had all notes wrong (raised) by a half step! I have no idea how that could happen.

It says though in the manual (see link above) that the send channel must be the same on the piano as in the software's settings.

Last edited by TheodorN; 12/03/13 08:20 PM.

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Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: TheodorN] #2192095
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The replay from the internal memory does work perfectly. The cable I bought today so I reckon that the midi interface of the piano itself is probably malfunctioning ... which would be not cool.

I'll try to record a stored song - if thats possible. Nice round-about idea I must admit smile

Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: Tom-chan] #2192114
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There are many ways to record oneself. I record mostly to a USB memory stick, very convenient but there seems there is no USB port on the PX120. I would think the recorded song is stored as MIDI in the piano, though I'm not sure.

If the MIDI interface is malfunctioning, then you might have trouble transporting MIDI data residing in the piano's memory to a computer. Is there any program with which you can see on a computer screen what is in the memory of the PX120? As I say, the manual is not clear on this.

Did you make sure the software is receiving on channel 01? You only said you set the piano to send on channel 01, but didn't mention the channel on which the software is receiving. If that channel is 02, you can't receive from the piano, if the piano is set to 01.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: TheodorN] #2192260
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Yeah I set both channels to one, I also tried using other channels for both devices but it's the same in the end.

Playback of a stored song and recording it to the PC does work as well but it suffers the same problem. Playing Midi-songs from my PC to the Piano does work perfectly though so I really think that the MIDI-Out part of the piano is broken.
Unfortunately the piano doesn't have and USB interface so I guess my last resort will be a direct jack plug connection from headphones out to line-in.

It's a pity but thanks a lot for your effort.

Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: Tom-chan] #2192299
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding your OP, but it sounds as though you are using an interface which is unnecessary. I'm not really sure what the purpose of the interface is. Can't you just plug your DP directly into a USB port using the MIDI to USB cables?


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Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: Morodiene] #2192301
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This is what I did. Plugged my Piano via its Midi-In/Out port to my USB-port using an Midi-to-USB cable.

I recorded the issue with MIDI-OX programme, so heres the problem in detail:

Code
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT

*here I press the c note and let it go again*

001154FF 1 1 90 54 4B 1 C 6 Note On
00115554 1 1 80 54 40 1 C 6 Note Off


*here I play C and D at the same time and let them go at the same time*

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
0013C523 1 1 90 56 4A 1 D 6 Note On
0013C52C 1 1 90 54 51 1 C 6 Note On
0013C687 1 1 80 54 40 1 C 6 Note Off
0013C68F 1 1 90 56 40 1 D 6 Note On


*here I play C, D and E at the same time and release them at the same time*

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
0014C141 1 1 90 54 54 1 C 6 Note On
0014C147 1 1 90 58 5E 1 E 6 Note On
0014C14D 1 1 90 56 53 1 D 6 Note On
0014C359 1 1 80 58 40 1 E 6 Note Off
0014C362 1 1 90 56 40 1 D 6 Note On
0014C366 1 1 90 54 40 1 C 6 Note On 



As you can see, it appears as the sounds that are being played are recorded but it only releases one key. These stuck keys make the unwanted sounds later on when they return back to starting position.

Any ideas?

Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: Tom-chan] #2192349
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Yes, it seems the MIDI out processing system is malfunctioning. How long have you had your PX120?

If you're mainly after the audio recording (not as MIDI) then the headphone jack of the DP to line in of the PC as you suggested, is the way to go.

Could this be a bug in the recording software, MIDI4ALL and/or Red Dot Forever? If you'll try another software, like Notation Composer (14 day free trial for full version) you can know for sure.

Edit: It seems you're not the only one having problems with MIDI4ALL.

http://www.gutefrage.net/frage/wer-kennt-das-programm-midi4all

Last edited by TheodorN; 12/04/13 11:15 AM.

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Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: Tom-chan] #2192367
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Originally Posted by Tom-chan
This is what I did. Plugged my Piano via its Midi-In/Out port to my USB-port using an Midi-to-USB cable.

I recorded the issue with MIDI-OX programme, so heres the problem in detail:

Code
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT

*here I press the c note and let it go again*

001154FF 1 1 90 54 4B 1 C 6 Note On
00115554 1 1 80 54 40 1 C 6 Note Off


*here I play C and D at the same time and let them go at the same time*

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
0013C523 1 1 90 56 4A 1 D 6 Note On
0013C52C 1 1 90 54 51 1 C 6 Note On
0013C687 1 1 80 54 40 1 C 6 Note Off
0013C68F 1 1 90 56 40 1 D 6 Note On


*here I play C, D and E at the same time and release them at the same time*

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
0014C141 1 1 90 54 54 1 C 6 Note On
0014C147 1 1 90 58 5E 1 E 6 Note On
0014C14D 1 1 90 56 53 1 D 6 Note On
0014C359 1 1 80 58 40 1 E 6 Note Off
0014C362 1 1 90 56 40 1 D 6 Note On
0014C366 1 1 90 54 40 1 C 6 Note On 



As you can see, it appears as the sounds that are being played are recorded but it only releases one key. These stuck keys make the unwanted sounds later on when they return back to starting position.

Any ideas?


-Try different software
-Try a different cable - sometimes they're just bad
-Try rebooting your computer and DP and hooking it up again
-If you have a friend's computer/laptop you could borrow, it may be as a last resort to determine if the DP is faulty

I'm pretty sure it's a software problem though.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: Tom-chan] #2192386
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I'd say this MIDI4ALL is very unstable. I set it up and it gave me some input errors. The MIDI file it generated from a recording I made, was faulty to say the least. Each and every note had an echo, like a grace note, but it sounded horrible.

In the video below, the piano player records vida MIDI4ALL and then plays back what was recorded (starts at about 2:17.) I'm pretty sure the playback doesn't sound the same as what he played, like there are some notes held that shouldn't be held, exactly what Tom Chan is experiencing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqBCNkEju8o

I can also suggest trying to record via Pianoteq, but remember to get the ASIO4ALL driver.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: Tom-chan] #2193551
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I checked that video, but it's not the same as my problem. It's not even the recording itself (which sounds strange in his video since he set the speed wrongly). I get the problem even when not recording.
If you check out this video, just imagine that after he plays some notes simultaniously, that all but one key remain blue (pressed). and these pressed keys produce sounds later on when they're being released (which i can't trigger precisely).

I also tried other software as well as the pianoteq you just mentioned. each of them does the same, the recording itself works, but the problem remains the same.
unfortunately i dont have another cable (and i really dont want to buy another one for 40$) but since i just bought it the day before, i assume it is working as it should.

so i reckon that really my midi-out on my DP is broken. it's a pity but oh well, happens.

i'm using an ordinary 3,5mm audio cable right now to record stuff. it's a bit tricky in filtering the noises but at least it works perfectly.

thanks alot for your help and ideas guys.

regards, tom-chan smile

Re: Casio Privia PX-120 MIDI recording [Re: Tom-chan] #2193558
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You're welcome, sorry to hear that your piano is most likely malfunctioning what MIDI connection regards, especially if it's out of warranty (which is usually three years.) If it's a $40 cable you had, it should be alright, I've only heard that MIDI cables under $10 have been failing. Best of luck with your recording.


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