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Re: How long should it take? [Re: PeterGriffin] #2192790
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Don't forget that your client often has a schedule to keep as well.


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Re: How long should it take? [Re: Jash] #2192903
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Originally Posted by Jash
Mark, why are tunings so cheap where you are? I was charging $100 around 9-10 years ago. My current charge is $150-$160 depending on location. I know some tuners that charge $200 in some cases.


It all depends on where you live. If you live where the cost of living is high and people are wealthy then you'll need to and be able to earn more to live as well. You're earnings are relative to your surroundings. In Canada, half of what people earn (exaggeration) goes to the government to be spread back around and sent back out in the form of healthcare.


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Originally Posted by Jbyron
Originally Posted by Jash
Mark, why are tunings so cheap where you are? I was charging $100 around 9-10 years ago. My current charge is $150-$160 depending on location. I know some tuners that charge $200 in some cases.


It all depends on where you live. If you live where the cost of living is high and people are wealthy then you'll need to and be able to earn more to live as well. You're earnings are relative to your surroundings. In Canada, half of what people earn (exaggeration) goes to the government to be spread back around and sent back out in the form of healthcare.


Very true. If 90% of all the tuners in your area are charging 100-120$, in smaller population areas you will just not get called if you charge $150 for eg. In a larger population area or where there are predominantly more higher end pianos and wealthier clients/higher COL one has a bit of flexibility in this regards.

In the large city of Toronto for example, there is a distinct tuner who has priced himself into the stratosphere. He is not bashfull about it either, the very first thing he states on his web page is "I am the most expensive piano tuner ..." I can't comment on whether the quality of his tunings merit the cost but he has been doing well with this approach....there are some clients who are attracted to this....and that's who he is after.

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Re: How long should it take? [Re: PeterGriffin] #2192988
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Re: How long should it take? [Re: Mark Cerisano] #2193008
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Standard piano tuning times:

Temperament - 3 minutes
Octaves - 10 minutes
Unisons - 12 minutes

If you take longer than a standard 25-minute session to tune a piano, you should seriously consider whether you are a professional or not. Like they say in the industry, 'If your hands don't bleed, you aren't doing it right!'

Similarly, the real test of a good businessman is to see how little you can do and still make the customer happy. Kind of like a sociological magic trick.

Since almost no one here got the humor, I feel obliged to explain that this was constructed with maximum sarcasm to draw attention to some attitudes above.

How is it possible that this was taken seriously?

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Re: How long should it take? [Re: Tunewerk] #2193016
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Originally Posted by Tunewerk
Standard piano tuning times:

Temperament - 3 minutes
Octaves - 10 minutes
Unisons - 12 minutes

If you take longer than a standard 25-minute session to tune a piano, you should seriously consider whether you are a professional or not. Like they say in the industry, 'If your hands don't bleed, you aren't doing it right!'

Similarly, the real test of a good businessman is to see how little you can do and still make the customer happy. Kind of like a sociological magic trick.


A lot of us professionals have seen these under 25 minute tunings and often wonder how somebody has the gall to charge a full price for it.


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Re: How long should it take? [Re: Tunewerk] #2193017
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YEEEEAAAAAHHHHH !

love that !!!!

ROck AN ROLL FOREVER !!!!

Heil Beethoven !


Originally Posted by Tunewerk
Standard piano tuning times:

Temperament - 3 minutes
Octaves - 10 minutes
Unisons - 12 minutes

If you take longer than a standard 25-minute session to tune a piano, you should seriously consider whether you are a professional or not. Like they say in the industry, 'If your hands don't bleed, you aren't doing it right!'

Similarly, the real test of a good businessman is to see how little you can do and still make the customer happy. Kind of like a sociological magic trick.


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Re: How long should it take? [Re: PeterGriffin] #2193018
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25 minutes is roughly 7 seconds per string, or barely long enough to hear two beats on a fifth on the average. Less if you use mutes, or reposition your tuning lever to other pins.


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Re: How long should it take? [Re: PeterGriffin] #2193019
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SUch fine company amazes me day after day .

Thanks bro's

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Re: How long should it take? [Re: Tunewerk] #2193022
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Originally Posted by Tunewerk
Standard piano tuning times:

Temperament - 3 minutes
Octaves - 10 minutes
Unisons - 12 minutes

If you take longer than a standard 25-minute session to tune a piano, you should seriously consider whether you are a professional or not. Like they say in the industry, 'If your hands don't bleed, you aren't doing it right!'

Similarly, the real test of a good businessman is to see how little you can do and still make the customer happy. Kind of like a sociological magic trick.



Thanks, I now know what kind of tunings you produce without even having to hear them.


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Re: How long should it take? [Re: PeterGriffin] #2193053
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Thank you everyone for your helpful answers. I take it that 1-2 hours is acceptable. So should I be making 3 hour appointment slots or less when starting out tuning for clients?

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I guess the humor was lost on you guys. Hopefully someone got the joke!


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Re: How long should it take? [Re: Tunewerk] #2193066
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Originally Posted by Tunewerk
Standard piano tuning times:

Temperament - 3 minutes
Octaves - 10 minutes
Unisons - 12 minutes

If you take longer than a standard 25-minute session to tune a piano, you should seriously consider whether you are a professional or not. Like they say in the industry, 'If your hands don't bleed, you aren't doing it right!'

Similarly, the real test of a good businessman is to see how little you can do and still make the customer happy. Kind of like a sociological magic trick.

Yikes!!! I am all in favor of tuning efficiency, but 25 minutes??!!?? Maybe if the piano was tuned last week for a concert and it is being touched up before the next concert...maybe...
"...see how little you can do and get away with it"? I'd LOVE to check out one of your "rebuilds".


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Originally Posted by Tunewerk
I guess the humor was lost on you guys. Hopefully someone got the joke!

Glad to see you were only joking!! Be careful what you post online!


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Re: How long should it take? [Re: Gerry Johnston] #2193070
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Originally Posted by Gerry Johnston
Originally Posted by Tunewerk
I guess the humor was lost on you guys. Hopefully someone got the joke!

Glad to see you were only joking!! Be careful what you post online!


Well, at least that is his story now.


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Re: How long should it take? [Re: PeterGriffin] #2193073
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That's a great wind up tunewerk .... bet you are ROTFL your socks off !
However, it is possible when doing fine concert work when one merely has to touch up a tuning .... maybe as little as 10 - 15 minutes.


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Re: How long should it take? [Re: Tunewerk] #2193089
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Originally Posted by Tunewerk
I guess the humor was lost on you guys. Hopefully someone got the joke!

Put a little winkie thing - wink - at the end of your jokes soaz we all "get" it.


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Re: How long should it take? [Re: PeterGriffin] #2193123
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Originally Posted by PeterGriffin
Thank you everyone for your helpful answers. I take it that 1-2 hours is acceptable. So should I be making 3 hour appointment slots or less when starting out tuning for clients?


For starting out, I think 3-hour slots are prudent. Better to be early to the next one than late.

As time goes by, and you get a feel for your personal m.o.,then you can make adjustments.



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Re: How long should it take? [Re: Tunewerk] #2193127
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Originally Posted by Tunewerk
Standard piano tuning times:

Temperament - 3 minutes
Octaves - 10 minutes
Unisons - 12 minutes

If you take longer than a standard 25-minute session to tune a piano, you should seriously consider whether you are a professional or not. Like they say in the industry, 'If your hands don't bleed, you aren't doing it right!'

Similarly, the real test of a good businessman is to see how little you can do and still make the customer happy. Kind of like a sociological magic trick.

Since almost no one here got the humor, I feel obliged to explain that this was constructed with maximum sarcasm to draw attention to some attitudes above.

How is it possible that this was taken seriously?



Welllll.....

Truth be told, today at the Shout House, that was about how long it took me at each piano for tuning, not including tucking in the temperament strips. Of course, part of that's because I tune them every week...



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Re: How long should it take? [Re: Tunewerk] #2193154
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Originally Posted by Tunewerk
I guess the humor was lost on you guys. Hopefully someone got the joke!


Tunewerk, there are actually people who claim to do those super fast tunings so the sarcasm is lost in the otherwise BS. NP


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