Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!


SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Virtual Sheet Music
Download Sheet Music Instantly
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Sheet Music...
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Modern Piano Moving
Modern Piano Moving
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
Who's Online Now
46 registered members (agent8698, Celestialgoat, Charles Cohen, agraffe, Azer, 9 invisible), 1,305 guests, and 4 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#2190626 - 11/30/13 06:13 PM Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman?  
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 47
Sammae Offline
Full Member
Sammae  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 47
Ottawa, ON
Hello everyone!

It's been a few years since I've been around on this forum. I moved into a small house 4 years ago and left my piano for my stepsister to play (she was playing on a small keyboard, and she has so much talent! It went to a good home) due to the teeny-tiny square-footage of our main floor.

Well, I've decided I don't care if I have to crawl over furniture to get to the back door - I really need a piano. I'm looking at some old uprights in the Ottawa area. The used market here seems ridiculous to me, and it seems the $1500-$4000 range is full of either crap (e.g.. Strauss) or 35 year old yamahas. People get prices for pianos that when compared to other markets are ludicrous. For this reason, I'm looking for an old, well-maintained upright. I don't want a console, although I've looked at a few and haven't been impressed with them either. Right now I'm waiting for a technician to go out to inspect this 1902 Gerhard Heintzman
It needs 1 string replaced. A few others have been in the past, but I'd imagine I'll get told that the whole thing should be restrung. The hammers and dampers are all new. It plays immaculately and has such a beautiful, rich tone!

My next order of business is figuring out where in the world to place this piano. The rooms on the main floor of my house consist of: a narrow entryway/hall, a 13x12 living room that already has too much furniture in it, the kitchen, and a 10x12 dining room. So it looks like the dining room wins. The only to placement options in that room are along an exterior wall (which will crowd the table out into the walking-path of the room (also, the house is a 1920 wood-frame with less-than-desirable insulation), or in the more desirable location on an interior wall, but above 1 of the 2 cold air returns in the house.

I suppose a third option is to get rid of the tv in the living room... hubby isn't going for that though.

Upstairs is not an option. We can't even get a double box-spring around that tight stairwell.

I guess what I'm asking is: what's the WORST that can happen if I place the piano over the cold-air return. I read it can get dirty. Is that it?

Sorry for the rambling post! I appreciate any opinions on the matter!

Sam


Re-learning (polishing):
Chopin - Prelude in D-flat major Op. 28 No 15

Working on:
Chopin - Waltz in C-sharp minor Op. 64 No. 2
Deubussy - Suite bergamasque - Clair de lune
(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#2190641 - 11/30/13 06:44 PM Re: Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman? [Re: Sammae]  
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,263
Silverwood Pianos Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Silverwood Pianos  Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,263
Vancouver B. C. Canada
Originally Posted by Sammae
The hammers and dampers are all new,


At times, with new components inside and complete adjustment of all motion parts to fit, the new found efficiencies in the mechanics can cause the old wire to fail by impacting with enough locomotion to send the wire past its expansion limit. That set looks like Immedegawa hammers from here, so voicing is important now to knock them down a bit and soften the blow.

At the price being asked what you are paying for is the new hammers and dampers, both parts and installation. I would have to look at the instrument to be sure, because that is a high price for an instrument of that age, although it appears to have been refinished at some point previous.

Donít worry too much about the cold air vent.


Dan Silverwood
www.silverwoodpianos.com
http://silverwoodpianos.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SilverwoodPianosDotCom
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."
#2190642 - 11/30/13 06:44 PM Re: Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman? [Re: Sammae]  
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 160
musicNow Offline
Full Member
musicNow  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 160
San Francisco, Bay Area
Congratulations on your piano. I like old uprights.

Why not close off the cold air return and leave the door open? Alternatively, move the cold air return. This assumes your husband is willing to help cut a new hole in the floor and crawl under the house to install some air duct - keeps the TV in place...

- Rick


Learning to play the piano, tweaking my 1907 Ivers Pond upright, and mostly playing a Yamha C7 because of its predictability.
#2190665 - 11/30/13 07:35 PM Re: Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman? [Re: Silverwood Pianos]  
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 47
Sammae Offline
Full Member
Sammae  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 47
Ottawa, ON
The exterior of it has definitely been refinished - it's in immaculate condition. The keys were all in good shape, save 1 chip and look original (as far as I can tell). Hammers are new(er) - you can see a bit of wear on them.

A technician is looking at it for me this coming week. It's the same person that's been maintaining this piano for the last few years. I've asked for a list of everything that needs to be done and I will use that to negotiate a price for the piano. $1000 is a lot of money for an old piano, but it's the first piano I've come across in a month that's listed for that price and is in good shape. Most of the pianos under $1000 in this area are old spinets/consoles that haven't been tuned or maintained in 10+ years... it's not a great used market.

Glad to hear that the cold air return isn't a huge deal... hubby has agreed to relocate it at some point this winter, but it's not going to happen right away.

Thanks for the input!

Anyone know anything specific about Gerhard Heintzman pianos? I know the basics, but there's nothing on the internet that I can find about how they were built, etc. except that he was "THE" Heintzman's nephew.


Re-learning (polishing):
Chopin - Prelude in D-flat major Op. 28 No 15

Working on:
Chopin - Waltz in C-sharp minor Op. 64 No. 2
Deubussy - Suite bergamasque - Clair de lune
(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#2190667 - 11/30/13 07:37 PM Re: Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman? [Re: musicNow]  
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 47
Sammae Offline
Full Member
Sammae  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 47
Ottawa, ON
Unfortunately the cold air return is necessary. It's winter here and the furnace is running full-tilt. It's 17F here right now. Moving the cold air return wouldn't be too big a job as our basement's unfinished. Hubby agreed to do it later this winter (in the interest of keeping the TV in place haha) laugh


Re-learning (polishing):
Chopin - Prelude in D-flat major Op. 28 No 15

Working on:
Chopin - Waltz in C-sharp minor Op. 64 No. 2
Deubussy - Suite bergamasque - Clair de lune
#2190733 - 11/30/13 10:31 PM Re: Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman? [Re: Sammae]  
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 643
Chopinlover49 Offline
500 Post Club Member
Chopinlover49  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 643
My wife's grandmother received a Gerhardt Heintzman player piano when she got married (sometime before WW I) and it is in our living room. We had the player parts worked on about twenty years ago and it will play the rolls just fine which is surprising because it is virtually unplayable manually. It is a nice mahogany cabinet, but it weighs a ton! Now that I have a fairly new Mason-Hamlin BB seven-foot grand piano in my other home, I have tried to give the upright to one of my daughters but sadly, no one want it. It needs much more money spent to make it playable than it would cost to buy a newer piano already fixed up, so it is just an heirloom piece of furniture. I feel sad that we probably will end up putting this on Craigslist for about $50 and hope to get lucky finding a buyer. I would advise caution on the purchase of the 1902 piano for $1000. It might be ok, but I have my doubts that it will go long before needing even more money spent on it.

#2190739 - 11/30/13 10:50 PM Re: Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman? [Re: Sammae]  
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,919
Supply Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Supply  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,919
Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
The bass strings are the original iron wound strings, and those usually lose their warmth and brilliance after a few decades. They are now 100 years old. Does the bass sound "tubby"? Replacing the bass strings (if needed) with a good new set will set you back about as much as the piano's price. It still may be a good piano for you if the tone is good.

Don't worry about the cold air return - its function should not be affected, and the piano will not, either. Actually, it is a good way to hide the return.

#2190793 - 12/01/13 01:49 AM Re: Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman? [Re: Supply]  
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 47
Sammae Offline
Full Member
Sammae  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 47
Ottawa, ON
It sounded good to me, but maybe I wasn't paying enough attention. I think my problem is that, with a limited budget, I'm having trouble finding anything that isn't going to require some work. I'm saving up to hopefully buy something brand new in a few years, but really want something that plays well for now. I'll be interested to see what the tech says when he looks at it.


Re-learning (polishing):
Chopin - Prelude in D-flat major Op. 28 No 15

Working on:
Chopin - Waltz in C-sharp minor Op. 64 No. 2
Deubussy - Suite bergamasque - Clair de lune
#2193161 - 12/05/13 09:07 PM Re: Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman? [Re: Sammae]  
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 47
Sammae Offline
Full Member
Sammae  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 47
Ottawa, ON
Hi again!

Thanks everyone for your help. It definitely gave me some questions to ask the tech when he looked at it. He finally got over there tonight. The owner of the piano offered to fix the string that needs replacing, so I don't need to worry about that. The tech says that the strings sound just fine to him and he wouldn't recommend replacing them. He said the piano holds a tune well between yearly tunings and the pin block and pins are in great shape. The sound board was cracked and repaired at one point but doesn't impact the sound at all. The only thing he said is that the action may need a bit of regulation work. I ended up paying $950. I know this sounds like a lot for an old piano, but considering I'm not keeping it forever and it needs no work to be perfectly playable, and both sounds and looks great, this sounds like a deal to me! In a few years when I can afford a grand, I plan to pass it down to my niece and nephew, who's parents can't save the money to purchase a piano, so they can learn to play.

I'm very, very excited!


Re-learning (polishing):
Chopin - Prelude in D-flat major Op. 28 No 15

Working on:
Chopin - Waltz in C-sharp minor Op. 64 No. 2
Deubussy - Suite bergamasque - Clair de lune
#2193162 - 12/05/13 09:14 PM Re: Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman? [Re: Sammae]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
Congratulations!


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
#2193184 - 12/05/13 10:55 PM Re: Where do I put my new (old) Gerhard Heintzman? [Re: Sammae]  
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,556
OperaTenor Offline
2000 Post Club Member
OperaTenor  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,556
Sandy Eggo, California
Sammae, I think you did great! Congratulations!



Happiness is a freshly tuned piano.
Jim Boydston, proprietor, No Piano Left Behind - technician
www.facebook.com/NoPianoLeftBehind

Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


(ad)
Pianoteq
Grotrian Concert
Royal
for Pianoteq out now
What's Hot!!
Why Do You Play The Piano?
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
-------------------
Piano Classified Ads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Kawai KS-5F
by maki6664. 05/29/17 08:37 PM
Acousticsamples C7 $49
by bsntn99. 05/29/17 06:03 PM
Help with big chords in Liszt Mephisto Waltz no.1
by LawlAoux. 05/29/17 04:49 PM
Steinway competitor
by BruceD. 05/29/17 04:32 PM
Worst last notes of a piece to miss
by pianoloverus. 05/29/17 04:22 PM
(ad)
Sheet Music Plus
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Report Problems With New Forums
Report Problems with New Forums Here!
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics179,964
Posts2,631,109
Members87,925
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0