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#2183956 - 11/17/13 03:46 PM Standards: Master List with alternate keys?  
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I've been looking around the 'net for a comprehensive list of jazz standards with the keys in which they are most often called listed also. I know many are called in just about every key, but there have to be some that are favored. No? Does anyone know such a document to exist? This would be a monstrous help to me in my tune learning endeavors, as I can imagine it would be to other jazzers.

In particular, has anyone been on a gig where A Fine Romance has been called in something other than C?

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#2183980 - 11/17/13 04:26 PM Re: Standards: Master List with alternate keys? [Re: R. James A.]  
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I don't get it. If you practice transposing this won't be an issue. There's probably no golden list because this isn't how players approach transposition in general. You're much better off being able to play a tune in any key than knowing what key you're likely to be playing in... After all what if your band wants to play in a key different from what's on your list?

Maybe I don't understand. But it sounds like this might be a way to avoid doing some really useful work.

#2183996 - 11/17/13 04:49 PM Re: Standards: Master List with alternate keys? [Re: R. James A.]  
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Most tunes are called in the realbook keys. There are a few cases where different editions of the realbook have different keys but not too many. One is Green Dolphin which is played in C and e flat.

Is there something other than realbook tunes you have in mind?

#2184012 - 11/17/13 05:04 PM Re: Standards: Master List with alternate keys? [Re: R. James A.]  
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There is really a lot of great info about standards here...
http://www.jazzstandards.com

Some have info about the original key but most have some historical details

#2184134 - 11/17/13 08:42 PM Re: Standards: Master List with alternate keys? [Re: stalefleas]  
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Fair Enough.

I guess I was thinking along the lines of tunes that you may not be familiar with. Say you're learning a couple standards the afternoon before a gig. I know I would't have time to learn a tune in 12 keys in a single afternoon. Maybe the pros could, but I know I won't be there for a while. My point is it would be nice to know which 2-3 keys to expect to be playing in on for a standard you may play once at a gig, then never again.

If you're grinding a tune into your fingers and getting it down to the point where you can pull it out anywhere, absolutely I agree: twelve keys, memorize the lyrics, whatever else.

And just to clarify for everyone, I am talking about standards (All the Things you Are, Body and Soul, Stella by Starlight) Not Jazz Tunes (Doxy, Four, Billie's Bounce)

#2184146 - 11/17/13 09:03 PM Re: Standards: Master List with alternate keys? [Re: R. James A.]  
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Maybe get yourself the Real Books Volumes I, II and III...

#2184164 - 11/17/13 09:29 PM Re: Standards: Master List with alternate keys? [Re: rintincop]  
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Yeah, all the "standards" you listed are in the real books in the keys they are played in. Stella, for example, was originally in G I think but I believe it's usually played in Bb which is the real book key. The real books have most of the standards played in jazz.

#2184276 - 11/18/13 01:55 AM Re: Standards: Master List with alternate keys? [Re: R. James A.]  
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Originally Posted by R. James A.
Fair Enough.

I guess I was thinking along the lines of tunes that you may not be familiar with. Say you're learning a couple standards the afternoon before a gig. I know I would't have time to learn a tune in 12 keys in a single afternoon. Maybe the pros could, but I know I won't be there for a while. My point is it would be nice to know which 2-3 keys to expect to be playing in on for a standard you may play once at a gig, then never again.

If you're grinding a tune into your fingers and getting it down to the point where you can pull it out anywhere, absolutely I agree: twelve keys, memorize the lyrics, whatever else.

And just to clarify for everyone, I am talking about standards (All the Things you Are, Body and Soul, Stella by Starlight) Not Jazz Tunes (Doxy, Four, Billie's Bounce)

Actually I want to apologize for my initial response. There was nothing ludicrous about your question. Honestly I think I take my frustration out on the internet sometimes, without meaning to. Anyhow I have nothing useful to contribute, other than to second the above responses. The real books are a great resource. You can also ask the people you are gigging with beforehand.

#2187601 - 11/24/13 05:08 AM Re: Standards: Master List with alternate keys? [Re: R. James A.]  
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My guess would be the most friendly wind players keys ,perhaps you could inquire in some sax or trompet forum.
Please paste it back here if you get some results, I would be curious to know also such a list.


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#2188005 - 11/25/13 11:50 AM Re: Standards: Master List with alternate keys? [Re: R. James A.]  
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There are different levels of jam sessions. I'm not a pro, but the jam sessions I've been to, with some very good players, we all use the RealBook. You don't arrive at a jam session without it. I know that there are higher level pro jam sessions where you're supposed to know all the standards without looking at music, although the RealBook still reflects the keys those tunes are played in. I go to a jazz camp each summer, and we have jam sessions every night, and the keys are all RealBook keys. Once in a while different editions of the RealBook will have different keys, which causes a problem!


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