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VPC1 vs CP4 #2175836
11/02/13 10:20 AM
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Has anyone had a chance to play both?

I get that the VPC is a controller only, doesn't have the mod and PB wheels etc., but am wondering how Kawai's RM3 Grand II wooden key action compares with Yamaha's NWGH with the GH3 triple sensor.

The CP4's onboard sounds and features aren't absolutely necessary, but if the actions compare similarly enough, it would be nice to be able to play without needing a computer or other external sound box...

... All I know for sure is that I am saving money, and want to get something with the third sensor for playing pp runs/trills, which my P120 can't do because with GH you have to completely let go of the key and re-press it in order to regenerate the note.

If the VPC1 action is far & away superior, it might be worth looking into, but if the CP4 is in or near the same league, then this becomes a really attractive looking option. At some point I wish to try both, but unless or until I can, any experienced observations or opinions would be appreciated.


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Re: VPC1 vs CP4 [Re: Psychonaut] #2175884
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I am sure they both have a great action. However the CP4 offers more functionality as a controller if you wanted to make it the focus of a studio set up. I think it will be very popular both as a gigging and studio piano. Your point about being able to play it without having to start up a computer is a good one too.

Re: VPC1 vs CP4 [Re: Psychonaut] #2175894
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The actions are very different (based on my having played an MP10, but not a VPC). I don't think there will be consensus of one of them being "far and away superior" -- you're going to have to get your own fingers on them and see which you like better. I can easily see where people who really like one might not like the other very much at all, and each will have their fans. There's no way around the fact that you have to try them yourself... no response you get here is going to help you, even if a majority of responses land on one side or the other. To paraphrase a line I liked from Bad_Mister at the Motifator forum, it's kind of like asking us which of two pairs of shoes you will find more comfortable.

Re: VPC1 vs CP4 [Re: Psychonaut] #2175898
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What he said.
I love my VPC1, but that's just me. I can say that I wouldn't want to gig with it, but it wouldn't really be any worse to haul around than, say, an MP10.

Re: VPC1 vs CP4 [Re: anotherscott] #2176021
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
To paraphrase a line I liked from Bad_Mister at the Motifator forum, it's kind of like asking us which of two pairs of shoes you will find more comfortable.


Nice analogy, and no doubt true.


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Re: VPC1 vs CP4 [Re: Psychonaut] #2176106
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Originally Posted by Psychonaut
Originally Posted by anotherscott
To paraphrase a line I liked from Bad_Mister at the Motifator forum, it's kind of like asking us which of two pairs of shoes you will find more comfortable.


Nice analogy, and no doubt true.


Yes, that's a great analogy. wink

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Re: VPC1 vs CP4 [Re: Psychonaut] #2176417
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Originally Posted by Psychonaut
am wondering how Kawai's RM3 Grand II wooden key action compares with Yamaha's NWGH with the GH3 triple sensor.


I had got a clavinova with GH3 keyboard and now the VPC1. I can say that the dynamic range that I achieve with VPC1 (from ff to FF) was impossible with the Yamaha.


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