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wower: FSO is a female, not a male, as far as I know! wink


easily updated. thanks.


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Originally Posted by FSO
jazzyprof...*cough*...that *may* be one of mine...thanks for the compliment but...I'm a bit stunned that's made its way *here*....

As you've admitted you wrote that story, did you get someone else to edit it, or did you edit it yourself, to make it into paragraphed, easily comprehensible prose? (Assuming that you originally wrote it in the same manner as your writings here).

If you did edit it yourself, why not do the same for your posts here, so that more people will read them? *cough* wink

I must admit that your writing style in this forum is rather off-putting (and that's not because English isn't my first language), and I've never managed to read any of your posts here all the way to the end, except for the rare ones which have paragraphs.


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Originally Posted by Pathbreaker
The posting style is sometimes a struggle but FSO's posts are almost always worth reading. I initially balked at the wall of text but it grows on you LOL. What's in that wall is often more entertaining than most properly constructed posts.


That's just the crux of it tho. If one has something of substance to say. If something is worth saying. Then I'm of the opinion it's worth saying well. I'm totally fine if other's don't share that view but I would ask writers to accept the consequences of such decisions. I've always been under the impression the posting style was technical in nature and not a personal choice. Like maybe they are using their parent's computer and they won't let an updated browser on the old computer. That's really got to suck but there are still workarounds. Let's work through these to get better at communicating. Going back to my comment lucid writing is a skill and not divinely granted; I think it's important to encourage FSO to practice good writing technique, then this insight others speak of might bring even wider opportunities to FSO.


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Writing a post and writing a story are two entirely separate functions and so I'm forced to read and re-read what I write; even so, my best friend proof-reads everything I write with intent to publish and finds more ums and inconsequential tangents than I'd care to admit. I mean...I had a scribe when taking exams in school...this isn't just a typing problem frown laugh Um...I'm okay with what I write not being read; I've never started a thread saying "please answer me, wah, why are you all so meeeeean?!?!". wower asks that "writers to accept the consequences of such decisions" and I do. I entirely do; I've said so very many times. Um...I *will* say, actually, that when I read my posts I recognise that I say *precisely* what I mean to, sparing typographical stammering. Emphasis is on the words that *should* be emphasised...I get the aparagraphical hatred, I get the "um" dysphoria, I get that word makeuppery *might* be confusing to non-English speakers, but the asterisks are *always* in the right place laugh I have *that* at least to cling onto. Um...for the record, I'm not using a parent's computer; I've not lived in the same county as them for a fair few years now and the commute is simply not worth the hassle. I'm not *that* young laugh
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I enjoy your posts FSO.

What annoys me is how a fair few members of this forum act like they are doing others the great honour of imparting their scholarly wisdom, which, although comical, detracts from any chance of discussion. At least FSO isn't a self-conceited know-it-all like some others here.


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I'm also enjoying the presence of FSO and her posts... I don't often quote her, since it's difficult to do so, and I will admit that I do have a bit of a difficulty following such long paragrphless texts... In fact I just edited such a text into columns, for better reading...

Still, at some point we have to admit that this is how she posts.

Still, at some point we have to admit that some members may have never come across such an issue in PW forums.

Still, at some point we have to admit that we are the ones keeping this discussion alive by posting on and on for or against this issue.

Still, at some point we have to admit that my post is doing all the above! grin

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What to follow...

In conjunction with the recording thread: Everything! Why be perfect? Especially for works so old that it makes little sense to be perfect, unless you're trying to be a historically correct performer (which for me is dead boring... really... I prefer to watch a debate between Collins and a tomato! (honestly I just came up with the name Collins, after watching NCIS! I hope that I won't embarrass myself and this will be an important, nice fellow.)).

Really though... In such instances (like Bach, with all the myths and truths surrounding him) you can either be an ALL Bach person, or nothing. I'm nothing. smile

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Originally Posted by TheHappyMoron
What annoys me is how a fair few members of this forum act like they are doing others the great honour of imparting their scholarly wisdom, which, although comical, detracts from any chance of discussion. At least FSO isn't a self-conceited know-it-all like some others here.


So dramatic! A kettle calling the pot black.


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Originally Posted by wower
Originally Posted by TheHappyMoron
What annoys me is how a fair few members of this forum act like they are doing others the great honour of imparting their scholarly wisdom, which, although comical, detracts from any chance of discussion. At least FSO isn't a self-conceited know-it-all like some others here.


So dramatic! A kettle calling the pot black.



How so, friend?


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FSO,

Willard Palmer, for an Alfred edition of Bach's 2 pt. and 3 pt. inventions did a survey of tempos used in editions, commentaries, and recordings. The range between fastest and slowest is often 100% and especially in the 3 pt. greater than 100%.

I have found this to a be fascinating study. These simple little pieces completely change their character depending on the tempo. Details emerge and then disappear as you speed up. Phrasing structures change also.

I think much of Bach's music lends itself to this type of treatment. His music makes sense at almost any tempo. Tradition may hold some of his pieces as "fast" or "slow" more than the demands of musical coherence.

However with other composers I think that the range of "acceptable" tempos is much smaller.

I appreciate your bringing up this subject which I have found fascinating for decades. And as far as your literary critics go I too can have trouble following you mid-paragraph, the best solution I have found is cntl - mouse scroll to increase the font size... something I am having to do much more often these days. I enjoy your stream of conscience thoughts, which are a nice contrast to my own overly analytical thought process. Keep it up.

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Originally Posted by FSO
Um...for the record, I'm not using a parent's computer; I've not lived in the same country as them for a fair few years now and the commute is simply not worth the hassle. I'm not *that* young laugh
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Well, at least we do have a few things in common......*almost* grin


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It is very interesting regarding tempi in Bach, I've alwas enjoyed playing WTC 1 prelude in C very fast and slow(ish). When played very fast it has a beautiful watery effect, much like Chopin's op 10 1. Am I correct in believing Chopin was inspired in this particular etude?


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Originally Posted by gooddog
Does anyone remember how irritating
Gyro's posts use to
be? We either chose to read them
or discarded them. I
only had the patience to
read FSO's first post. Because it required
far too much time and concentration to
wade through his/her style, I gave up on the
rest of the posts. I think it lacks courtesy to make
one's writing so inaccessible but if FSO
insists on this style, then I can't be
bothered to wade through it. His/her choice
and my choice.
I think Gyro's posts were nothing in terms of difficulty reading them compared to FSO's posts. The only problem with Gyro's posts were that he shortened each line as you did above. I don't even remember any posters complaining about Gyro's style.

I certainly agree with the lack of courtesy aspect even though this may not be intentional, and FSO has claimed she cannot write any other way or even edit her posts after writing.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I don't remember any posters complaining about Gyro's style.


Really? I thought Gyro's odd comments were a rather hot topic once.


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Originally Posted by TheHappyMoron
It is very interesting regarding tempi in Bach, I've alwas enjoyed playing WTC 1 prelude in C very fast and slow(ish). When played very fast it has a beautiful watery effect, much like Chopin's op 10 1. Am I correct in believing Chopin was inspired in this particular etude?


Absolutely. I'd say it's as close to a direct reference to Bach as he ever came.

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Originally Posted by TheHappyMoron
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I don't remember any posters complaining about Gyro's style.


Really? I thought Gyro's odd comments were a rather hot topic once.
It was usually what he said and not how he said it. Most people thought it was just his sense of humor kind of like Bachman.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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I don't remember any posters complaining about Gyro's style.


Really? I thought Gyro's odd comments were a rather hot topic once.
It was usually what he said and not how he said it. Most people thought it was just his sense of humor kind of like Bachman.


Ahh, I see. Anybody know what happened to Gyro?


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Originally Posted by jeffreyjones
Originally Posted by TheHappyMoron
It is very interesting regarding tempi in Bach, I've alwas enjoyed playing WTC 1 prelude in C very fast and slow(ish). When played very fast it has a beautiful watery effect, much like Chopin's op 10 1. Am I correct in believing Chopin was inspired in this particular etude?


Absolutely. I'd say it's as close to a direct reference to Bach as he ever came.


Wasn't it during this time that the Bach revival had come about? Interesting as op 10 was an early project for Chopin.


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Originally Posted by jeffreyjones
Originally Posted by TheHappyMoron
It is very interesting regarding tempi in Bach, I've alwas enjoyed playing WTC 1 prelude in C very fast and slow(ish). When played very fast it has a beautiful watery effect, much like Chopin's op 10 1. Am I correct in believing Chopin was inspired in this particular etude?


Absolutely. I'd say it's as close to a direct reference to Bach as he ever came.

There's also the Prelude 28/1.


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Originally Posted by Michael Sayers
Originally Posted by Alan Lai
First of all, I would appreciate if you paragraph your post better.

What about the second of all? wink


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I want to be clear that no sarcasm was intended with that post toward FSO or Alan. I was hoping that Alan would be induced to proceed with his comments on the subject of this thread. And about FSO's posts, I have been reading these for months and am confident to assert that these are the work of a talented writer who also is a very sharp observer.


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Originally Posted by Michael Sayers
And about FSO's posts, I have been reading these for months and am confident to assert that these are the work of a talented writer who also is a very sharp observer.

+1

My only problem with FSO's style is that people wind up talking about her style instead of her interesting, nuanced observations and wonderings.

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