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Jeff: That's totally cool. Don't take this too seriously though, I'm really only expressing my simple belief of quality over quantity, because I really think you could totally own one of these if you narrowed in on it. I'm aware of your goals and I know you just want to play everything that you love, which is totally fine.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Joel: Better. smile

But still, much of what you're saying about the 4th isn't so, and this part:

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....The coda....is not technically sound

....is utterly false. There can be musical quibbles (and I'd have some, especially that I think the very end is just brusque), but it's plenty technically sound.

My best guess about this is that you're judging from the technical finish and musical preferences of a particular performance by some 'unidentified' pianist. grin


I think there is more than just quibbles, Mark. Listen to the left hand octaves just before the grand descending double octave line. Rushed and not accurate!

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I will take your suggestion to heart. And once I have some free time, after the Mozart and the mazurka recital, I will choose a single work to zero in on.

As I recall, most of the preparation time that went into this concert was focused on learning the Sonata. I spent a huge amount of time just learning it and that was all time that was taken from the Scherzi. In hindsight, I would have been better off just playing the Berceuse (which I think came out extremely well) and the Scherzi.

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Joel,
I will be much more frank than Mark, or Jeffrey have been. You simply don't know what you're talking about. I like the fact that you're trying to put your finger on something that you're missing with the recording(s), and while Jeffrey may benefit from extra practise time (as would all of us), he is more than technically capable of playing the scherzi. Keep thinking about what you're listening to and what it is that you believe you want to hear. In this case, you're lucky, because Jeffrey is of a character that is more than accepting of wayward criticism. I think you're intelligent enough to figure out what it is that you truly want to hear here, but you simply lack experience (as does your ear).



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By the way, for what it's worth, I agree with Joel on much of what he's said here. The performances sound like they're hanging by a thread. The fourth is quite bad actually. Listen to 37:26 in the recording. That's not just a bit of sloppiness - that's a bigger problem. He repeated it twice. Rushed and unmusical. I will give more specifics to whoever wants them.


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Jeffrey: Try not to pay too much attention to what looks wrong, because it is.

Poly: NO. smile
Not just that you shouldn't have said it, but that it's wrong -- as stated, meaning that maybe valid criticisms do exist underneath what you said, but not as you said it.

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Please close this thread.

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Gladly.


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