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What could be more blatant than promoting Hailun and Brodmann in a thread about Estonias? Well perhaps if you cannot stand when this is said by a dealer. However I am not afraid to say that if one is on some more tight budget, considering a Wendl & Lung (partner Hailun factory) is not all that blatant. Biased? Probably. Related to the piano business? Not at all. schwammerl.
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And I should correct myself that it was Schwammerl who made the point, not T-dot. (Hi by the way  )
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If an individual is allowed to say "I love my piano" then why is it offensive when a dealer reports "some people really love this piano"? If it is true in one case, it is true in the other.
Or perhaps truth is not a defense for "crimes" such as this... [/QB] It's not a question of truth(whether the statement was made by a customer of Norbert). Is it not true that when a dealer mentions a customer's favorable comments/reactions about a piano he sells it's self promotion? That kind of statement belongs on the delaers website(where delears often post "testimonials") or the Estonia forum.
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Plover, I really enjoyed this recent post of yours. Yes. Norbert has been secretly rebuilding Avantgardenabi's beloved Knabe and meanwhile Pianoloverus has lent his BB to AGN whose has painted it white because he wants to rent it to Melody7 who has decided she really wants a rosewood Boesendorfer like SHpiano who has unknown to anyone else traded her Bluthner for three of Pianomadam's Essexes but at the last minute Pianomadam installed Boesendorfer player system in one of the Essexes which angered Ori who contacted Rich Galassini who said "your piano may not sing, but I sure can."
Since Pianoloverus has no piano now he has asked Norbert for a Stanwoodized/Wapinized Hailun vertical in jacaranda finish with fourth pedal, ice cream cone legs, full damp chaser, fallboard name changed to Estonia, tunable front and rear duplexes, string cover made by Kenny, and underlid in lieu of an advertising fee. Norbert has... Do you think you could add a little dose of that humor into these moderating posts of yours where you expound on what dealers should and should not do? It's apparent you won't be changing your opinions, but how about a more light-hearted approach?
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Originally posted by turandot:
Plover,
Do you think you could add a little dose of that humor into these moderating posts of yours where you expound on what dealers should and should not do?
Glad you liked that post. It's not just my opinion of what dealers should and should not do. It's in the forum rules.
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Norbert
Are you selling that Steinway B that you received for the Estonia 190? What's it going for?
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Originally posted by whippen boy: Originally posted by Norbert:
Estonia doesn't seem to need a *reason* or justification - it seems to be found and adopted by players as if an inner clock was ticking between them in almost pre-arranged syncrony... 
Originally posted by Norbert:
Could it be that this is one piano that chooses its new owner as much as it is being chosen itself?  
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Norbert
Are you selling that Steinway B that you received for the Estonia 190? What's it going for?
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No, the owners reportedly returned piano to dealer. Norbert
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When I started off my piano search, I'd never heard of Estonia pianos, but tried them out along with Yamahas (my initial preference), Kawais, and Bostons, and then the more I learned, the more I was ineluctably drawn to the Estonia. 1.5 years later I'm all the more happy for my purchase and even visited the factory where it was made in Tallinn.
If there's Estonia kool-aid out there, then I've drunk from the super-sized cup. What Norbert says may be dealer hype, but I have to say it's accurate as well! So many things clicked with this piano and have continued to click with ownership.
cscl Estonia 190 Satin Ebony ABF Recitals: ![[Linked Image]](https://www.pianoworld.com/ABF_Medals/1medal.jpg) x9 — Studio Recitals: x17 ![[Linked Image]](http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Medicmark737/th_MOYDc.gif) ![[Linked Image]](https://www.pianoworld.com/forumpicts/MOYD_2011/MOYD_1.gif) *
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What some consider 'dealer hype' may be simply attention given to undervalued stock by others. There is a difference in hyping things if this are done in isolation of other forces within industry - endless rows of enthusiastic customers being the most important indicator with people like Larry Fine running a not-to-distant second. If Larry Fine sees fit to continuously upgrade his ratings of certain pianos such as Estonia as he has done vigorously over the years - 'hyping' by those whose simple crime was being 'ahead of time' - and had the courage to say so - needs to be seen in a somewhat different light. If it does make cetain folks here feel better: "pleading guilty". Meantime: *stay tuned*. Norbert 
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Below is an interesting article on "over-hypin your brand" also called "putting lipstick on a pig": http://www.google.com/search?hl=nl&...yping+in+marketing&start=10&sa=N After I've read it I concluded noe of the pitfalls apply to Estonia Pianos for the moment, i.e. * no rapid excessive line extensions * no feature creeping * lack of budget for product develompment not compensated by lot of advertsing * and the brand doesn't show up in the wrong places Does some of this apply to other brands? You will be the judge. schwammerl.
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