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Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 #2166380
10/14/13 10:40 PM
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Hello -

I'm looking for some advice regarding a potential piano purchase. I'm looking at entry level baby grand pianos and am between Kawai and Yamaha. I play piano as a hobby and have for years - not at a professional level. I have played on Yamaha and Kawai pianos for years and find I really like them.

I have the opporunity to purchase a Kawai GM10 for $4,000 and it is about 5 years old - only moved once, and the seller's kids took lessons on it for a very short time (mint condition). I believe it was made in Japan, not Indonesia (which I've heard makes a difference).

I played the piano and found I really like the action and find the sound to be pleasing as well (although the piano was terribly out of tune, so hard to tell...). I have played Yamahas (GA1, GB1, GC1) which I have heard are comparable. The only one that was more impressive to me is the GC1, although I preferred the Kawai action. The GC1 (new) is listing out at 14,995 at my local piano store (the only one in the area). I am a bit constrained by room size as well so looking for a smaller baby grand which is why i've selected those models to try.

Anyway, I feel like this is a good deal for that piano, but I wanted to get other's thoughts on this - the price, piano, and comparables i've been trying out. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd definitely appreciate them!

Also, I have heard that Kawais have a more mellow tone - is it possible for a piano tech to make it somewhat brighter via voicing? I'm not sure how much that could change the tone or if I'd want to, but it's hard to tell without hearing it in my room (hardwood floors and high ceilings).

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Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: PianistKc] #2166416
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I've played on all the grands you mention. In my opinion the Yamaha GC1 (and GC2 if you can afford it) outshine the Kawai GM-10 by quite a distance. $14,955 for the GC1 is a good price for a new instrument based upon what I've seen. I think the GM-10 is made in Indonesia, a country that is perhaps inferior in piano production to Japan. Advice: Don't even think about voicing your grand till you get it in your room and see what the acoustics are going to be like. If it's got a hard wood floor be prepared to place a carpet or throw rug under the instrument.

Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: PianistKc] #2166510
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Dear Pianistkc,

I suggest looking at www.pianobuyer.com and going to pgs. 42 and 43. Look at the upper level consumer level and see what else is available in the general quality range you are considering.

If you have not yet played any of these piano, why not try a couple? You might find something you enjoy better than the Yamaha or Kawai.

If you stick with the choices you mentioned, don't worry. None of them will fail a recreational player in the home.

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Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: BOREGARD] #2166726
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Originally Posted by BOREGARD
I've played on all the grands you mention. In my opinion the Yamaha GC1 (and GC2 if you can afford it) outshine the Kawai GM-10 by quite a distance. $14,955 for the GC1 is a good price for a new instrument based upon what I've seen. I think the GM-10 is made in Indonesia, a country that is perhaps inferior in piano production to Japan. Advice: Don't even think about voicing your grand till you get it in your room and see what the acoustics are going to be like. If it's got a hard wood floor be prepared to place a carpet or throw rug under the instrument.


The Yamaha GC's are also made in Indonesia.

Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: BornInTheUSA] #2166870
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Originally Posted by michaelh

The Yamaha GC's are also made in Indonesia.


Hi Michaelh,

If you're talking about the North American market, that's incorrect:

http://www.pianobuyer.com/publication.html#198


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Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: PianistKc] #2166883
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If you like it, and you are ready to be finished shopping then why not?


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Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: PianistKc] #2166888
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I have been watching the used market for Kawai grands for the past half a year and have figured out how to use Craigslist quickly. Here's a quick [AND NOT EXHAUSTIVE] run-down from Craigslist of GM models.

The quoted price of $4000 that you cite is quite a good price, it seems to me. And if you like the way it sounds and plays (and it's only 5 years old), I'd say you have a bargain to consider!

As always, sending in a piano tech to check it out is a great idea.

Good luck.



Sep 28 kawai baby grand piano $6000 (Fort lee) pic musical instruments - by owner Made in Japan. GM-10. used by professional pianist. Excellent sound&condition.

Oct 14 Kawai K Exhibition Award Baby Grand Piano Excellent Condition -Reduced $6000 (Hales Corners, Wi) pic musical instruments - by owner Kawai K Exhibition Award Baby Grand Piano GM-1 2286155 Valued at $13,000. Just reduced to $6,000.

Oct 14 KAWAI BABY GRAND PIANO $7100 (Norwood 19074) pic musical instruments - by owner Japan made Kawai Gm1 baby grand Sounds great! Always been tuned ones a year In excellent condition Originally paid $8100 Asking $7100 or best offer Call 610 283 7549

Sep 22 Kawai baby grand piano $6000 (Music instrument) pic musical instruments - by owner Made in Japan. GM-10. Excellent condition. Used by professional pianist. Nj. Fort lee.

Sep 29 Like New Kawai Baby Grand $6499 (Myrtle Beach Mall) pic map musical instruments - by dealer Looks and plays like brand new. 5 year old Kawai GM-10 in polished ebony. Still has 5 years left on the warranty. Includes bench, delivery, 1 in home tuning and warranty. Financing available.

Sep 27 KAWAI GM2 BABY GRAND PIANO $5200 (Windermere, FL) pic musical instruments - by owner Beautiful Kawai GM2 Baby Grand Piano Ebony Satin Finish Includes matching bench Action touch is even and consistent with Kawai's well known standards Serial #2289021 This lovely baby grand is 16 years old and in excellent condition. $5200 obo

Oct 12 Kawai Baby Grand Piano $7000 (USA) pic map musical instruments - by owner Model GM - 10, Ebony polish finish. Beautiful instrument. Measuring 5'0" in length, the GM-10K offers the same attention larger pianos -- in a petite size to fit any room. With its resonant tone and classic good looks, the GM-10K is an impressive addition to your home or studio. The action design and components provide outstanding touch and playability. Kawai "Ultra-Responsive" Action Exclusive ABS Styran

Sep 4 2007 KAWAI GM-10 LE GRAND PIANO $8000 (ANNAPOLIS, MD) pic map musical instruments - by owner 2007 Kawai GM-10 LE Grand Piano. Piano includes PianoDisc cds that play the piano all on its own, including two speakers! Measuring 5'0 in length, the GM-10 LE offers resonant tone and classical good looks that will be an impressive addition to your home or studio. This piano offers the elements of superior touch and tone. There is a 4 year warranty to ensure your piece of mind and protect the value of your investment. Was bought for $14,990. Will accept highest

Sep 11 KAWAI PGM10 Baby Grand $6950 (Huntington) pic musical instruments - by owner
2010 Kawai PGM10 Baby Grand Piano WITH PIANO DISK PLAYER 5'1", Fits anywhere!! Still in Showroom Condition!! Factory warrantied until Jan 2020

Oct 11 Kawai grand piano $7850 pic musical instruments - by owner Kawai grand GM 12 3 years old showroom condition steal at 7,850!

Baby Grand For Sale - Kawai GM 10 $6500 (Glendale) pic musical instruments - by owner
Kawai GM 10 Baby Grand Piano - Excellent condition. Price includes WARRANTY, MOVING, and one TUNING. This piano has been regularly tuned, well cared for and without a single scratch. The action is still sharp, tuning is stable, and the hammers are in great condition. This piano will sell soon. Serious inquiries only.


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Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: terminaldegree] #2166936
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree

Hi Michaelh,

If you're talking about the North American market, that's incorrect:

http://www.pianobuyer.com/publication.html#198


I stand corrected again! That's twice today. I guess I got it mixed up with the GB's.

Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: PianistKc] #2167654
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Buy it.

If you like the piano, and it's in the shape you say, you're getting it for less than 1/2 the price of a new one.


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Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: PianistKc] #2167893
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Thank you all for the information/advice - it is definitely appreciated! It seems like a great deal and i'm having a tech check it out, but am planning on looking at more pianos in my area. I live in an area where there really is only 1 dealer and they are exclusive to Yamahas. Not a big used market here either aside from craigslist as I refuse to buy something without playing (aka ebay or the like) as that is just dangerous.

Again, thanks all!

Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: PianistKc] #2167956
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I tuned a GM-10 for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and I have to say, at least from a technical standpoint, I was not impressed.

It was the first grand I've ever seen with a bearing bar/capo bar for the entire scale; no agraffes, even in the bass. As such, I found the strings to be progressively jumpy as I went down toward the bottom.

Also, it's Indonesian. 'Nuff said there, IMO.

$4k is probably a fair price, but no bargain, IMO.



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Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: OperaTenor] #2167997
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Originally Posted by OperaTenor
I tuned a GM-10 for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and I have to say, at least from a technical standpoint, I was not impressed.

It was the first grand I've ever seen with a bearing bar/capo bar for the entire scale; no agraffes, even in the bass. As such, I found the strings to be progressively jumpy as I went down toward the bottom.

Also, it's Indonesian. 'Nuff said there, IMO.

$4k is probably a fair price, but no bargain, IMO.



I agree with your appraisal of the piano's technical merits. IIRC, I don't think it has a removable music desk, either.

But...In the hands of a decent player, it actually sounds ok for a five-footer. And it makes a nice starter piano, one that can be resold more easily because of the name on the fallboard.

Dealers are moving them everyday for $10k. If this piano is as pristine as described, I think it well worth $4k. In fact, I think you might even could make a little money with this piano.


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Re: Opportunity to Purchase a Kawai GM10 [Re: PianistKc] #2169001
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I have played 2 GM10's at 2 different churches and they were horrible instruments. That being said I'm generally a Kawai fan and play a KG5 at church; however the GM10 models are not even good entry level pianos in my opinion.


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