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#2169983 - 10/22/13 10:50 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: TheodorN]  
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Originally Posted by TheodorN
Would like to add to this discussion, that I have the PX-5S and like it very much, at least through my Sennheiser HD380 Pro headphones. I had Yamaha P85 before and I don't understand why the P85 sounded better through it's internal 6W speakers, than the PX-5S sounds through the bigger 16W Creative standalone T40 speakers.

Assuming that you like the sound of the PX at least as much as the P85 when played through headphones, there are a number of reason why you could still find the PX disappointing though bigger, higher wattage speakers (even apart from the fact that there's no reason a company can't make bigger, higher powered speakers that sound awful, but I assume the T40 don't fall into that category). The enclosure the speakers are in can make a big difference; the efficiency of the chosen speakers can easily make 6 watts louder than 16; the wattage figures themselves may not have been measured the same way; the speaker placement can also make a difference in the sound and overall effect.

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#2178482 - 11/07/13 02:17 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]  
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Need people to test a few things on this models:
  • Casio CDP-120
  • Yamaha P-35
  • Yamaha P-105
  • Yamaha DGX-650
  • Yamaha P-155
  • Korg SP170S
  • Korg SP280
  • Kawai ES100
  • Roland F-20

If you own or can test one of those models, please try to get the missing information.

In the main post I say what info is missing. If you can, please help.

If I could I would, but I just can't.


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#2178684 - 11/07/13 09:22 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]  
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From a few posts earlier- speakers are VERY important to me- although I am fine playing a workstation through monitors I really enjoy having the sound come out of the piano itself.

I find the Korg SP280's to be fantastic- but I think it even sounds a little better through my Audio Technica ATM 50's.

I would agree the P105 is decent for built in speakers.

Although my P95 was not as clear, it was neat the way the sound came out above and below the piano


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#2178699 - 11/07/13 09:42 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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Is not the first time I hear that Korg SP280 speakers are excellent. I never try that model but looks like is true that model have great speakers.

Since you own that model, can you give me more info about it? My post about that model have many holes (no info). If you can help with that would be great.

Thanks


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#2179379 - 11/08/13 11:04 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]  
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I just recently tried the SP280. The speakers are loud, but sound was not necessarily great. Also beware the action is disappointing. Focus more on action and sound. You can always buy speakers that are WAY better than built in ones on any digital piano.


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#2183189 - 11/16/13 03:15 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]  
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Youtube videos can only tell you so much, but when I was watching videos of Yamaha and Casio's various cheaper DPs, the PX-130 wound up being one of my favorites and it's cheaper than most of these.

Really want to try one in person.

#2183190 - 11/16/13 03:23 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Razor]  
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Casio PX-130 is the previous version of the Casio PX-150. Almost in every way PX-150 improve over previous version, so if you like PX-130, then you would like PX-150 even better. Although your point about is cheaper is right. Is up to you if PX-150 improvements worth the extra money compare to PX-130.

If you try it in person, let us know your thoughts.


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#2183266 - 11/16/13 09:42 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]  
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Hi,
I intend to buy a Casio PX-150, for practice purpose only (Piano keys action), and intend to connect it to Korg PA 600 (which has both Midi and USB ports) in order to use the sounds and styles of the Korg PA600 from the casio px150,
Does the Casio PX-150 support this?

It would be highly appreciated if someone could help on this matter,
Thanks

#2183273 - 11/16/13 10:06 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]  
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Dears,
Can I connect Casio PX-150 to a keyboard (Korg PA600) to play sounds of Korg Keybord from this Casio PX-150?

Thanks,

#2183275 - 11/16/13 10:08 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: khaledAF]  
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You can't because PX-150 have USB only. You need a real MIDI port


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#2183278 - 11/16/13 10:14 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]  
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Thanks for the quick response ,
Also the Korg PA600 has 2 USB ports, type A and Type B, does it make any difference ?
What about the USB to MIDI cables?
Thanks,

#2183280 - 11/16/13 10:21 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: khaledAF]  
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problem with USB is drivers. are made for computers, as far i know. That is why professionals that connect devices use keyboard with real MIDI ports.

You can try connect two keyboard by USB but as far I know will not work.


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#2183286 - 11/16/13 10:44 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: khaledAF]  
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Originally Posted by khaledAF
the Korg PA600 has 2 USB ports, type A and Type B, does it make any difference ?

AFAIK, even with having the right port, the only keyboard that supports direct connection to another class-compliant keyboard over USB is the Kronos.

Originally Posted by khaledAF
What about the USB to MIDI cables?

No, but a device like this should work: http://www.kentonuk.com/products/items/utilities/usb-host.shtml

It would be simpler and more foolproof to simply get a piano that has the correct connector in the first place. i.e. Casio PX-350, Yamaha P-35.

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Kronos is my next step , I must practice for at least a year or so before investing in $4000 Kronos,
The problem with Yamaha is that it's over praised here (P105 = $900) and so on,
casio is less over priced (pX-150= $ 700),
All what I care about is the Piano action and MIDI connection,
Any suggestions please?

#2183296 - 11/16/13 11:28 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: khaledAF]  
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Originally Posted by khaledAF
The problem with Yamaha is that it's over praised here (P105 = $900) and so on,
casio is less over priced (pX-150= $ 700)

P105 has the same problem as the PX-150, no standard MIDI port. From Yamaha, you actually want the cheaper P35, how much would that be? About the lowest cost recent model that would work well would be the Casio CDP-100, but that's gotten scarce since they replaced it with the CDP-120 which doesn't have the MIDI jack. You could also check into the Korg SP-170, sometimes they seem to have gone pretty cheaply, don't know about where you are.

#2184428 - 11/18/13 11:22 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: khaledAF]  
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If you only care about piano action and MIDI connection for the less money I would suggest Yamaha P-35. Have same action as Yamaha P-105 and have real MIDI ports.

But as you may know, Casio have better key action feel so if that matters a lot to you, go for Casio PX-350, because is the cheapest Privia that have real MIDI ports.

Other option is like anotherscott suggest buying a converter: http://www.kentonuk.com/products/items/utilities/usb-host.shtml

Last option is Kawai ES100, but is maybe overkill for your purpose.


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#2189213 - 11/27/13 02:17 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]  
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Just ordered the Roland F-20. Some say that the key action on the Kawai and Casio are better; but hopefully, the SNS for the Roland will compensate this shortcoming. Also, the wooden cabinet was probably the deciding factor for me.

Sure- I'll update when I get it.

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#2189219 - 11/27/13 02:21 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Alekhan]  
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When you get it, tell us what you think about it. Also, would be great if you can give some of the information missing about the Roland F-20 on the main page of this project.


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Congrats on your sticky, Daniel!

#2189273 - 11/27/13 04:24 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: dewster]  
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Originally Posted by dewster
Congrats on your sticky, Daniel!

Thanks. Hope is at least a fraction of helpful as your DPBSD Project


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#2190420 - 11/30/13 07:12 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]  
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Dears,
It took me some time to look at other available alternatives,
1st, casio px350 not available, only via special order (8 weeks ) and will cost around US$1200 (exclusive Dist.)
yamaha P35 available and priced at $725, same as korg 170s, (also exclusive Dist.)

I look at used DPs (not many available) I found today Casio PX320 at $500,
Those are my available option (living in U.A.E, Abu Dhabi),
I might negotiate the Casio PX320 , as all what am concern about is Piano Action Keys and MIDI connection (to another Keyboard),

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#2191446 - 12/02/13 02:12 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]  
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Thank you so much Daniel Richter for this excellent post! I've written some individual product reviews here for digitalpianocompare that people might also find useful!

http://www.digitalpianocompare.co.uk/category/price/digital-pianos-under-1000/

Please note "under 1000" on digitalpianocompare is in pounds-sterling (so depending on the exchange rate, probably slightly more than under 1000 dollars).

By way of recommendation, I'd suggest going for the Yamaha P-155: mainly because you get the Yamaha sound engine. The Kawai ES100 is good but when it comes down to tone quality the Yamaha pips it to the post.

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Great reviews of yours too. I will take a good look in the following days and see what can I add or change to my post using your reviews.

My post is more a information page than a review, so your reviews are very welcome.

Although as far I hear from others opinions, P-155 sound is not that great. I have to look more in to it, but in the DPBSD project P-155 don't have that great results in piano sound, mostly for not very good looping and obvious 28 stretched groups. I will try to search more about in the following days, including reading your review. I didn't try the P-155 so everything I mention on that model is from listening what others say about it.

Thanks for the reply. Hope you can help me on this project more in the future.


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#2191564 - 12/02/13 07:50 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: digipianocompare]  
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Originally Posted by digipianocompare
Thank you so much Daniel Richter for this excellent post! I've written some individual product reviews here for digitalpianocompare that people might also find useful!

http://www.digitalpianocompare.co.uk/category/price/digital-pianos-under-1000/


May I ask why you feel the need to hide affiliate ID links embedded within your reviews using an URL shortener? I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, however directing PianoWorld forum members to your website smells a little fishy. Bumping older threads to recommend one brand exclusively over any other doesn't help your cause a great deal either.

Originally Posted by digipianocompare
By way of recommendation, I'd suggest going for the Yamaha P-155: mainly because you get the Yamaha sound engine. The Kawai ES100 is good but when it comes down to tone quality the Yamaha pips it to the post.


May I ask you to explain why you believe the 'Yamaha sound engine' of the P155 to be superior to that of the ES100? Moreover, I'm somewhat curious as to how you can make such an assessment, given that the ES100 has yet to be released in the UK. Have you played this particular Kawai model? Indeed, have you played the Yamaha?

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Originally Posted by Daniel Richter
Great reviews of yours too. I will take a good look in the following days and see what can I add or change to my post using your reviews.


Hopefully you will only stick to the facts?

The source of these reviews is unclear, and anyway as we know from the opinions expressed on the forum, one man's meat is another's poison.

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Of course I stick to the facts. DPBSD is my main source since have real data, as objectively as possible.


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Hello I am a 1yr player upgrading from yamaha 235 over 10 years old to a DP. I borrowed a yamaha p 155 and that was great just heavy and could sometimes hear the sound of the keys. I am looking at kawai es100 and casio px350 can't decide. Was told that casio had more features to keep me interested in practicing with the midi feature and ability to upload songs and adjust. It seems like the reviews of the sound for kawai is better. I wont be able to try before I buy. Can anyone give advice? Thanks!


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Originally Posted by therightmoment
Hello I am a 1yr player upgrading from yamaha 235 over 10 years old to a DP. I borrowed a yamaha p 155 and that was great just heavy and could sometimes hear the sound of the keys. I am looking at kawai es100 and casio px350 can't decide. Was told that casio had more features to keep me interested in practicing with the midi feature and ability to upload songs and adjust. It seems like the reviews of the sound for kawai is better. I wont be able to try before I buy. Can anyone give advice? Thanks!

I think what you hear is right. Casio PX-350 have a lot of more features and voices and all that kind of stuffs. If you like those things that are not really about "piano simulation", then go for the PX-350.

With Kawai ES100 is more like a better key action, with a lot less noise when pressing and releasing the keys. Also better build-in speakers. Piano sound, I think Casio and Kawai are great so I would not say one is better than the other. Maybe except that Kawai have 88 sample keys, compare to casio that have 34 stretch groups. But overall I think both sound great.

So, if you want those extra features, go for Casio. Want more silent key action, go Kawai. I did go for kawai because I don't care about those extra features. I only care about piano. But for you, sounds you may take more advantage of the extra features on the Casio PX-350.

So ask yourself: Those features are really important to you?

One thing I most add is that Kawai ES100 include F-10H pedal that supports half pedal, very good quality pedal. If you buy Casio, you need to buy a decent pedal because the one is included is...hmm...garbage.

Is hard decision, most of the time, to choice a digital piano. Hope this project make things easier.

Good luck.


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Thank you for your reply! Do you also have any thoughts about the midi feature on the casio? Or with the kawai.... how would you use it to help beginners play better? Any features or programs that would work with the kawai. I know it doesn't have usb.... although I've never used that in a DP.


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