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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2635343
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Yamaha YDP S51 is an old model. But the changes made to YDP-52 are not huge. Same with DGX-650. There's now a DGX-660.

The DGX-6x0 is the more versatile device obviously, but the YDP-5x is better (more realistic) if the focus is on just plain piano playing.

And of course the Roland FP-30 and Kawai ES-110 (and the older ES-100) must be mentioned in this context. And maybe the Casio Privias.

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I've been to music stores for my choice of Yamaha P-115, Roland FP-30 or a Kawai ES110. Of the three digital pianos, I learned the Yamaha P-115 is the oldest model that came out in the middle of 2015. Digital pianos are like electronic gadgets (cellphones, tablets, notebooks, desktop PCs, etc.) with new improved models coming in now and then. Is it not sensible to have a newer model than an old one?

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The ydp s51 has a more powerful sound system and much better keyboard (gh) than the dgx 650 (ghs). But the dgx has much more sounds and features for the arranger or composer, or if you want to play with lots of different lead sounds and accompaniments.

If you want to learn piano, especially classical or jazz piano, the ydp is the much better option.

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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: genghis khan] #2635362
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Originally Posted by genghis khan
I've been to music stores for my choice of Yamaha P-115, Roland FP-30 or a Kawai ES110. Of the three digital pianos, I learned the Yamaha P-115 is the oldest model that came out in the middle of 2015. Digital pianos are like electronic gadgets (cellphones, tablets, notebooks, desktop PCs, etc.) with new improved models coming in now and then. Is it not sensible to have a newer model than an old one?


2015 is not old. Any disadvantages of the P-115 (its action, its use of stretched samples, etc.) isn't due to age or progression of the technology.

But generally, you're correct--DPs are more like computers (they actually are, of course) than they are like antiques. After 6-7 years, there are clear advances in technology that make the older generations largely obsolete (even if they sound mostly fine).


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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2635588
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Thank you all for help, I think I will buy s51 smile

Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: genghis khan] #2637688
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Originally Posted by genghis khan
I've been to music stores for my choice of Yamaha P-115, Roland FP-30 or a Kawai ES110. Of the three digital pianos, I learned the Yamaha P-115 is the oldest model that came out in the middle of 2015. Digital pianos are like electronic gadgets (cellphones, tablets, notebooks, desktop PCs, etc.) with new improved models coming in now and then. Is it not sensible to have a newer model than an old one?


Depends on the price. I paid £400 for a new P115 with a 5 year warranty. At that price there was no justification to pay extra for something newer, which it doesn't mean "better", and of those models only the ES110 is significantly more recent. There is also a bigger risk when you buy something that has just come out and it's not as well tested.

If you're a beginner they will all vastly exceed your capabilities for a long long time.


Started January 2017. Working on Alfred Level 2 and Fundamental Keys. Yamaha P-115.
Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2637891
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Almost 20 years ago I bought a Roland HP 137 R, because I needed to use a headphone and I didn't want to pay more than 1,000 dollars. It has never let me down and I used this digital piano to write more than 500 compositions. If I need a new piano, it's going to be a cheap Roland again.


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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2659537
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Hi,

As a newbee on this forum I want ask you Daniel, Can you please add data about new Kawai ES110 - at least known informations. I am standing before important decision to buy new DP :-)
Btw. Roland Fp-30 does have 3 sensors instead of 2. There is "little escapement" also as a third sensor.

Thanks a lot for your effort!

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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2663844
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Decisions... always the same problem with music instruments. On bass I had quite clear I wanted a Rickenbacker, got one after 2 years of play and a few gigs on my back. But here... as a complete beginner, I have lots of trouble to decide.

Comes down to Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha-DGX 660. On the one hand, my heart pulls me towards the Roland FP-30, as it is the more 'realistic' piano of them 2, both in sound and in feel. And my main playing will be classical music, at home. But... I do play in a rock band, and my brain is saying that once I am at a decent level to play that on gigs in 1-2 years (best way I've found to get the urge to get better fast and practice harder), the bells and whistles of the Yamaha-DGX 660 would surely be more useful, also for recording and composing. Of course, it would be played mainly for intros, etc, as bass IS my main instrument, at least for now, and I'm not sure I will ever be able to change between those two instruments like Geddy Lee or similar players do.

Well, still some time to decide.

Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2663877
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Ok, actually, not so much time. Today I tried to revive my Yamaha PSR500... and, it died. It had 5 dead keys, D4,E4 area, so I opened it, removed the dust, still the same, opened the board, etc. as I found in an article on internet and when I put it all back, it was like 5 keys alive (it's an exaggeration, but it was much worse than before. I should have known when I saw that they already had tried to fix it, and also I'm a clumsy brute).

Lets see if next month I can buy one of those 2... or else, get a cheap 98€ Yamaha PSR-F51. And then in 3-4 months, when I get the other one, give it to a friend with kids.

So what's would you people recommend...
a) PSR-F51 now, in 3-4 months
... a1) Yamaha DGX600, as for recording, rock play in a stage, etc seems better
... a2) Follow your heart, always... Roland FP-30!!!

b) Wait one month, fool around with the pad and keep learning sight reading, get ...
... b1) Yamaha DGX600, as for recording, rock play in a stage, etc seems better
... b2) Follow your heart, always... Roland FP-30!!!

c) FP30 or DGX600? Are you crazy? For your needs, the XXX - YYNN is much better!! (in that price range)

Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Bruce Humphrey] #2669770
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Originally Posted by Daniel Richter

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Summary: In my opinion the key action is better than the Casio and Yamaha, but still not as good and silent as the Kawai.

Has he ever tried FP-30? I played Kawai KDP-90 with AHAIV F of ES-100 and had ES-110 for two weeks. Roland FP-30 is almost inaudible in comparison with the loud key noise of Kawai. Speaking of key action I'd say that they are pretty much similar. Though, first couple of days I had to set -1 key touch setting on FP-30 to adapt after ES-110.

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Any opinion on roland rp-501r?
Its in the same range with yamaha ydp163

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I settled with the ES110 as it's around $100 cheaper here in Australia. Very happy with it so far.

Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2683771
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I couldn't decide between the Yamaha P-115, Kawai ES110 and the Roland FP-30. But visiting a store helped a lot. The ES110 and the FP-30 feel much better than the Yamaha with its GHS action. In terms of sound, the Kawai ES110 sounded the closest to a real thing, plus it allows to adjust various parameters of the piano sound, which isn't available on the P-115/ FP-30. The FP-30 has a very rich, bright sound but the ES110 sounded more natural to my ears. As for the P115' piano tone... well, nothing wrong with it but I liked it the least among the three.

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I'm looking for a lightweight piano to take on long vacations to stay in shape.

I bot a used Casio PX-110 for cheap and truly hate it. In particular, it seems all the Casio's (including PX-160) sound "twangy" to me.

I played a Yamaha P-115 and really liked it. The most important factor was "Key Sensitivity" which I define as the relationship between key force and volume - the Casio was massively too sensitive - pressing a key was like a land mine to me. The Yam produced a much more piano-like sensitivity. I am classical and accurate ppp is essential.

Since sensitivity is not mentioned, it's hard to choose from most commentary.

Since a practice piano used just a couple weeks per year, I'm not interested in spending a lot of money - Craigslist is where I'll do my shopping.

So the question is: what older pianos would be comparable to the P-115? like a P-105 for instance... (Of course, it is entirely possible if I play the Kawai or Roland, I might hold out for that improvement if it is significant. I think I may have tried a FP-30 but not sure - I did play a Roland that was very good but out of my price range so maybe not a 30.

FORGOT to mention: WEIGHT is a huge factor. I don't think anything is less than 25#, but again, if faced with a truly fabulous key action and sensitivity, I would probably cave for more weight. I would also compromise for lighter weight.

Thanks in advance,
Tom

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Originally Posted by MrCreosote

I played a Yamaha P-115 and really liked it.

I am classical and accurate ppp is essential.

Since sensitivity is not mentioned, it's hard to choose from most commentary.

what older pianos would be comparable to the P-115?

WEIGHT is a huge factor.


To me (classically educated as well but as an organist, not a pianist), keyboard response is everything, and I can learn to live with twangy sound etc.
I originally opted for the P-115, but then in the last minute compared it to the Roland F-140R, which I had totally overlooked in the demo room, and I was sold immediately.
Mind you, I never got to try a Kawai, which normally would have been in my ultra-short list, and I could also survive well with a Celviano line Casio (clearly better than the cheaper Privias).


Now the Roland is thought to be a furniture thing - not a travel thing. But bear with me.
It comes with a pedal bar and simple side walls, BUT I found its action so good, and the sound generator and amp/speaker system so good, that I went for it anyway, and I'd just not build it like they show you in its manual, but leave it as it is with just some support blocks under its main unit so one can put it on one or two stands or similar and thus leave the speakers underneath free. Else, those probably would soon be damaged.

The pedal block can be cut into, so one only travels with a narrow three pedal block - maybe mounted on a rubber plate - and the wire that goes to the main unit. BTW, the side walls could also be cut so they cover only the main unit plus maybe some inches extra for where the support blocks are.


Its action resembles more expensive Yamahas like the CLP-675, and is far from as sirupy as the P-115's. Remember I like the P-115. Personally, I can play the F-140R longer without fatigue, and also feel it's slightly quicker than the P-115's keyboard.
I'm aware that different keyboards are quicker to different people, but this is my 1.5 cent.


IMHO it's better at translating dynamics than the P-115 keys. It has a simple form of escapement which works, but I'm not a pianist and cannot be trusted to judge how well it translates ppp when compared to other products. As an organist I was satisfied, that's all, but I do feel it's certainly ahead of the P-115.

I think that both P-115 and F-140R, and most others in fact, have settings on board for the relationship between your playing dynamics and the calculated dynamics. I have no idea which brand is best at these settings, but I gather the Internet is your friend there.


Soundwise, I feel it's a league above the P-115. Whilst I have no idea whether the sound generation in itself is better, it does spawn a version of the "SuperNatural" thing that Roland also put in more expensive models. It might even be identical, I don't know. Whatever the case may be, the combination of keyboard, dynamic response, sound generator, amps and speakers totally make for a more natural sounding, natural feeling piano to me.


The weight without all the furniture must be around 25 kg. With everything mounted, it's something like 34 kg.


The only drawback I've found up to now is that there seem to be no keyboard shortcuts for choosing a preset. If I'm right, then one must sequentially go through the presets (by use of the "-" and "+" buttons), and there are 11 piano sounds as well as a whopping 305 other sounds stored in its 316 presets.
Of course, if all one is interested in is basic piano and basic electric piano, then the first presets in each group (called "Piano" and "Other") should give ample variation.


Good luck with your search!
ME


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Can't seem to edit my post anymore, so as an addendum, when I read your post, I did not understand the meaning of what on my screen looked like "25 #".
Looking at some actual piano weights, I concluded it must mean 25 kg, but later I saw that many portable pianos weigh more like 25 lbs, which of course is a different ball park altogether.

If you did mean 25 lbs, then please excuse my post. Even without the lid and other furniture stuff, the F-140R doesn't even come close.
In that case, you're maybe best off with the Kawai ES110 which is 26.5 lbs and which comes highly recommended.

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Would love to see this list updated to have the Kawai ES110 replace the discontinued ES100, and the Yamaha P-45 to replace the discontinued P-35.

Kawai ES110 has my vote if you are going to have just one DP, and the budget is sub $1000.

When looking for a main DP in this price range, I spent 2 hours testing P-45, P-115, and FP-30, and although FP-30 was more impressive, I would settle with P-115 based on bang-for-buck value at $800 CAD or $640 USD (Roland's are quite a bit more expensive in my area, $1100-$1200 CAD or up to $960 USD for FP-30).

Then I heard of Kawai, and went out of town to test an ES100 for a half hour and was much more thoroughly impressed, also cheaper than FP-30 ($999 CAD or $799 USD).

The Kawai ES110 has been released since, and is a superior machine over the ES100 at roughly the same price.

I recently got a CASIO PX-160 for a sub $1000 DP ($500 CAD or $400 USD), but that is because it is to be my secondary DP for me to leave at my work desk (non-music-related).

Earlier when I went to purchase my main DP for sub $1000,I tried the Kawai ES8 and was so blown away, I splurged ($2500 CAD or $2000 USD).

No regrets.

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