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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Dragon Piano] #2546882
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Originally Posted by Dragon Piano
Hello everybody. I’m joining this conversation a little late. Is this thread just relegated to the <$1000 price range?


To avoid confusion and "thread drift", that's been its focus. Daniel did a good start, with a reasonably objective comparison of what was available when the thread started. There have been a few new models, since then.

There are lots of other threads, with different interests. A "DP's under $2000" thread might be worth starting.

Yes, a person's choice depends on a person's needs. We all understand that, and try to balance out the conflicting features (and benefits, and costs) of the alternatives.



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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2555256
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Hi, I am trying to decide between Roland FP30 and KAWAI ES100...

Roland fp30 has a lot of advantages (more volume power, better reseller in my country, a little cheaper, more beautiful, newer model, higher resell value), but I like the es100 sound and touch.

The problem is this: I am used to play on an old casio crappy keyboard, for the last 30 years. So I dont know if the lighter Kawai touch that I like is because I am used to a bad touch (the very light casio organ).

It is suppose to be better having a heavier touch (roland)? The 3rd sensor is really worth it?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Marcos X
Hi, I am trying to decide between Roland FP30 and KAWAI ES100...

Roland fp30 has a lot of advantages (more volume power, better reseller in my country, a little cheaper, more beautiful, newer model, higher resell value), but I like the es100 sound and touch.

The problem is this: I am used to play on an old casio crappy keyboard, for the last 30 years. So I dont know if the lighter Kawai touch that I like is because I am used to a bad touch (the very light casio organ).

It is suppose to be better having a heavier touch (roland)? The 3rd sensor is really worth it?

Thanks!
Mark


Play them both. Then make your decision.

Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2555273
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You can adjust the "touch weight and "brilliance" on both the ES-100 and FP-30. Additionally, on the ES-100, you can also adjust the "voicing" (character) of the sound. It might be worth it to download the user manuals and learn how to make those adjustments so you can better compare.


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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2555415
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Hi, as has been said countless times, key action is a very personal and subjective matter; therefore, you should try all your selected choices before you buy if possible... but IMHO, as usual Kawai key actions are more realistic than the competition, in this case, Kawai ES100 key action has a more quicker and realistic grand piano feel compared with the weird, sluggish and heavier Roland FP30 key action; also, this Roland key action has an unpleasant key action upweight, which very quickly fatigue my wrists and hands... of course I must admit that this Roland key action is a new one and has the tri-sensor technology, the same responsive key scanning also present in their top of the line older sisters and a more pronounced let-off effect. Ok... because the final decision, in my case is not taken by the specifications, but rather by how it feels in my hands; for this reason, you should try it by yourself, and finally let
your fingers (and ears) decide for you. Regards!.

Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Groove On] #2555420
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Originally Posted by Groove On
You can adjust the "touch weight and "brilliance" on both the ES-100 and FP-30. Additionally, on the ES-100, you can also adjust the "voicing" (character) of the sound. It might be worth it to download the user manuals and learn how to make those adjustments so you can better compare.


The problem is that the "touch weight" adjustment doesn't affect the keyboard mechanism. It changes the relationship between "key velocity" and "MIDI velocity":

. . . If "touch" is set higher, you must hit the key harder to achieve
. . . a certain volume (and tone quality).

But the "weight of the key" doesn't change.



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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2562722
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I had a $1500 budget and was considering the Casio Privia 860, the Kawaii KDP90 and the Yamaha YDP163. I was unable to audition the Kawaii, but the Casio and Yamaha keyboards felt pretty similar, and I found the Casio's Bechstein grand sampling to be a bit more pleasing to my ears than the Yamaha grand sampling. I also liked that the 860 offers direct to USB stick recording.

The 860 seems very sturdy, but at a considerable discount to the Yamaha, I'm worried it won't wear well. Fingers-crossed it continues to perform like it does now.

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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2565074
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I just tried the Casio cpg700. I was surprised at the action.
Been using the 5 s for awhile. I do use a computer for AP but
I found the 700 more playable than the 5. At 700 n change its not
bad at all. Time for the 5 to go me thinks.

People have been mentioning the sturdiness of the Casio's.
I gotta say that Ive been using them, 1st the px3, now the 5
w/a computer, have had weeks where I do up to 9 gigs. Many of them
outside in S Fl, hot..Beat the 3, held up no problems, dragged it
everywhere no problems. The 5 is going thru the same thing..
no problems at all. Now Im looking at the cpg700.
I really think they hold up well and they play nice w/midi.

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I was very fortunate to find a used CPG-700 within driving distance for $475. apart from a light patina of dust it looks brand new. it came with a very nice bench too. my last 'joanna' was some forty years ago; an old, out of tune upright parlour piano complete with candelabras. didn't do so well then, hope to do better this time smile

Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2569321
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I finished updating the list, but I think this is it. The number of models keeps increasing and I don't have access to many of them, nor get enough help (from owners) to get the data I need.

Also, I have less and less free time.

I will try to update the current models, where is incomplete, but I will not longer keep including new models.

So, for now I think is still useful, but in the future is going to get outdated.

Hope was helpful.


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Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter] #2569497
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Mr.Richter, read your survey with interest because was in the market in search of a portable in that price tier recently. decided to get the piano you own, the kawai es100, sometime eventually, but found a vintage upright with a silencer middle pedal for the 0300 practice session instead. the digitals that feel and sound like it aren't portable, and cost the equivalent of a new full sized upright, anyway. the proliferation of digital pianos, which has made your project virtually bottomless, also created a glut of used, conventional vertical pianos in the market.

one feature very few digitals have in the <$1000. price tier, alternative (to the conventional equal temperament) tunings in their standard options, no tweaking or reprogramming required. the es100 has two non-equal temperaments available, either appropriate for 18th century music like Bach.

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My daughter has been playing piano for about 5 years and the time has come to get something for her to practice with at home. Our teacher has obviously stated that weighted keys is the best option.

I found a Yamaha YPG535 from Costco for $499. It includes stand, padded bench, sustain pedal, and Samson's headphones. What's the consensus on this package? Or am I better off spending the extra and getting an ES100?

Would love for her to play on something before buying but we live at least an hour from a Guitar Center or Kawai dealer.


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The YPG-535 is a synth keyboard and as unusable for practicing piano as a diatonic accordion is.


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I confirm. Even if Yamaha call its YPG535 keyboard "piano style", it is not weigthed. You should try Yamaha P45 (entry model), Yamaha P115, Kawai ES100, Roland FP30 or Casio PX160 to name a few.


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Originally Posted by SoonerChris
My daughter has been playing piano for about 5 years and the time has come to get something for her to practice with at home. Our teacher has obviously stated that weighted keys is the best option.

I found a Yamaha YPG535 from Costco for $499. It includes stand, padded bench, sustain pedal, and Samson's headphones. What's the consensus on this package? Or am I better off spending the extra and getting an ES100?

Would love for her to play on something before buying but we live at least an hour from a Guitar Center or Kawai dealer.



I think you would be far better off with something like the ES100 or Roland FP-30 or even something further up the line, especially considering that your daughter has already shown a five year commitment to playing and learning. Also because of that it would be best to find stores which hopefully stock the pianos in which you are interested so she can try them out and help in the decision.

However, I've found digital pianos like the Kawai ES and Roland FPs difficult to find in shops in my area, as they either tend to stock basic keyboards or console type digital pianos. I was able to try out some of the Roland and Kawai consoles at a piano retailer to get a better idea about how each feels and sounds, so maybe that route is available.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Richter
I finished updating the list, but I think this is it. The number of models keeps increasing and I don't have access to many of them, nor get enough help (from owners) to get the data I need.

Also, I have less and less free time.

I will try to update the current models, where is incomplete, but I will not longer keep including new models.

So, for now I think is still useful, but in the future is going to get outdated.

Hope was helpful.


Daniel - thank you very much for taking the time to compile this database. It was incredibly helpful when I was in the market for a digital piano. I ended up with the Kawai es100 and really enjoy playing it.

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So, you can clearly hear the difference here.

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lJMdh3lk0d0[/video]


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Originally Posted by mischeli
So, you can clearly hear the difference here.
. . .


In his 5-note tests, the Yamaha and Roland are played staccato (or at least detache), while the Casio is played legato. I don't know if that was deliberate, or not.

These comparisons are a _lot_ harder to do fairly, than you would expect. Subtle differences in volume, for example, can make one instrument (the louder one) sound better than another.

With "layering" (piano + strings, here), the relative volumes of the layers becomes important. That's usually adjustable (via the menu system in the DP). But the _default_ settings may be quite different -- one DP will have louder strings than piano, another will have louder piano than strings.

And then there's the problem of YouTube using low-bandwidth, compressed sound . . .




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Hi Guys, I trust your week has been great. Pls, I need your honest advice.

I want to decide which DP to pick between the following: Yamaha P-80, Casio PX-110 and Roland RD-500. All three are going for the same price $300 each. All three are in very good condition.

I'm looking for decent piano sound, good action and auxiliary.


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I'd pass on all of them, save for a little longer, and then buy something more modern.

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+1 to Kawai James.

A used Casio PX-150 would be a better bet -- it's not far outside your price range. Several Guitar Center listings (they ship instruments from store to store, for reasonable charges):

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/?Ntt=px-150&Ns=r

EDIT: -- And a Yamaha P105:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/?Ntt=p105&Ns=r






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Hi Daniel, this is an excellent resource. You must have put a lot of work into this.
Many thanks,
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For what it's worth, I just completed my search for a portable digital piano that I could take with me on the road when traveling for work. I opted for the Kawai ES100. I like the feel and sound of this unit better than any of the others I tried in this price range (Roland, Casio, Yamaha). While it doesn't have an LCD, I have found it to be unnecessary anyway. It's easy enough to set up and once that is accomplished I only use three of the eight piano settings offered, which is more than enough. I couldn't be happier with this purchase!


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That's great to hear, thank you for the positive feedback John!

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I finally got up to SaiGon today to spend some time trying the Yamaha DGX660,
The Casio PX360, and the Roland FP 30.
I am an adult learner so no expert. My impressions are:
Best key action (1) Roland FP30, (2) Yamaha DGX660 -I was expecting it to be rubbish but it's not bad, (3) Casio PX360 very loose feeling keys. I didn't like them at all.
Best sound: (1) Roland FP30, (2) Yamaha DGX660, (3) Casio PX360 - awful through its own speakers. Thin, weedy toy piano sound.
Best size for how I planned to use it - sitting on my computer desk in front i my iMac following Online lessons: (1st equal) Roland FP30, or Casio PX360, (3) Yamaha DGC660.
Features: Yamaha DGX by far - beautiful instrument sounds and rythyms and educational stuff. (2) Casio PX360 not up to Yamaha level, (3) Roland - very little in the way of sounds or rythyms and some educational stuff via iPad but nowhere near Yamaha.
Price: (1) Yamaha USD781, (2) Roland USD830, (3) Casio USD1,184.

If only the Roland had all the features of the Yamaha or the Yamaha had the key action and front to back depth of the Roland.

It'll probably be the Yamaha as we already have a Roland RP401R in the house for my daughter.

Just my non-expert views on my first shopping jaunt.

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Originally Posted by Johnmak

If only the Roland had all the features of the Yamaha or the Yamaha had the key action and front to back depth of the Roland.


My thoughts too. The Yamaha`s a very good price. IT`s almost the same in £`s here. If you get the triple pedal board for the DGX like I did (when I had it) you`ll be glad of the depth. It means the pedal is in the correct position for the feet. ON most compact slabs they`re not, unless you pull the piano away from the wall.
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They use lot of DGX in music schools here. The keyboard last the most from all. (Older Casio privias used to be done within a year). However the previous DGX had unfortunate problems with display breaking on nearly all of them sooner or later. Hopefully they fixed that. Lot of schools have now the DGXs with no working display. Hence the idea of not buying older DP is very valid. Nearly all of them will have some systematic problems in hardware.


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I bought a new Yamaha P115 on sale for £400 with a 5 year warranty. The ES110 had just come out but seemed a more risky choice being new to the market, and probably not worth the 50%+ more in any case. From the manuals, the Yamaha also seemed less restrictive regarding split/duet modes, which I like as I use them with my daughter.

It certainly exceeds my capabilities by a big margin, and will do so for a long time.

Last edited by ID5894; 04/20/17 05:19 AM.

Started January 2017. Working on Alfred Level 2 and Fundamental Keys. Yamaha P-115.
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Please help me decide what model to buy smile Any piece of advice is useful, as I am quite a newbie in the field.

I am considering these two models
Yamaha DGX-650
Yamaha YDP S51

I really like the design of ydp s51 - so simple and sophisticated, but dgx-650 is 200€ cheaper and has all the effects which, on the other hand, I am not really sure that I will ever need...
Both of the models are quite expensive (for the absolute amateur as I am) so I am afraid of making wrong decision...

Thanks in advance.


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