2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
Who's Online Now
60 members (Abdol, AlphaBravoCharlie, Calavera, 36251, Brendan, clothearednincompo, CyberGene, 15 invisible), 454 guests, and 437 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
#2164493 10/10/13 03:42 PM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4
S
Snev Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
S
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4
Hello,

I'm struggling to find proof of compatibility between the Yamaha P105 and linux through the midi over usb port.
Pretty sure it'll work but I need to be sure.

Has anyone tested this, perhaps with a very similar Yamaha model?


Best regards, Sven

Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
Snev #2164506 10/10/13 04:22 PM
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 592
X
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
X
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 592
Define "work". It should be recognized by the USB subsystem, and auto-create /dev/midi1 or similar.

Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
Snev #2164537 10/10/13 05:23 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,552
G
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
G
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,552
I think Yamaha USB-MIDI is class compliant so it would be very odd indeed if it did not work with linux. My old Kawai isn't class complaint (I don't think) and doesn't claim linux compatibility but it works fine with linux. It did NOT work with the windows that was current at the time I bought it (without a driver installation). But it always worked with linux.

Actually I think it's a safe bet that it will work. I would be surprised if anyone could find a DP with USB-MIDI that doesn't work with linux.

Last edited by gvfarns; 10/10/13 05:24 PM.
Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
gvfarns #2164621 10/10/13 09:50 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,526
A
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,526
Originally Posted by gvfarns
I think Yamaha USB-MIDI is class compliant

Typically, no... they are, I believe, the only major player who usually (always?) isn't. You have to install drivers on your Mac or PC. So what to do on linux is a good question.

Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
Snev #2164624 10/10/13 10:01 PM
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 372
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 372
I wonder why it doesn't have a 5 pin DIN connector, which is the standard for midi...


Pianoteq / Kawai CL 35 & MP11 / Old 1920's Upright Zimmerman
Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
Marcos Daniel #2164633 10/10/13 10:20 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,526
A
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,526
Originally Posted by Marcos Daniel
I wonder why it doesn't have a 5 pin DIN connector, which is the standard for midi...

That's a different issue, but yes, it has USB MIDI only, which is the reason I would never buy one. But for non-gigging musicians, it may not be as important. if they intend to integrate it with their computer anyway for any MIDI applications.

Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
anotherscott #2164693 10/11/13 02:18 AM
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 82
H
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
H
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 82
Linux driver has much much more drivers than win or mac. Also most drivers are designed to be general to handle the same kind of devices. So it is expected typical hardware is working out of box in Linux.
e. g. emu 0404 midi does not work on win8, but it is perfect on Linux.

Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
anotherscott #2164815 10/11/13 10:44 AM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,552
G
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
G
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,552
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by gvfarns
I think Yamaha USB-MIDI is class compliant

Typically, no... they are, I believe, the only major player who usually (always?) isn't. You have to install drivers on your Mac or PC. So what to do on linux is a good question.


Really? I guess it's been many years since I owned a Yamaha. I don't actually recall whether I ever ran it through my linux computer, unfortunately.

I guess we'll have to have a Yamaha owner with a linux computer tell us.

Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
gvfarns #2164881 10/11/13 01:10 PM
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 592
X
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
X
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 592
Originally Posted by gvfarns
I guess we'll have to have a Yamaha owner with a linux computer tell us.

I have both right here, but no cable! eek

Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
Snev #2164940 10/11/13 04:22 PM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4
S
Snev Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
S
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4
Thanks everyone for the input.
Some say it definitely will work, some say it wont so it's still not clear. With 'work' Xorbe: I indeed mean that it must be able to create a /dev/midi1 or similar manually or automatically.

I know that if things are not class compliant, there is usually some kind of support in the Linux kernel. However, I can't seem to find documentation for it. I find it rather strange because Yamaha is a big brand and I think a lot of musicians use Linux. So what's up with that?

It would be great if someone could test it.
Xorbe, isn't there a cable provided with the keyboard?

Last edited by Snev; 10/11/13 04:23 PM.
Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
Snev #2164957 10/11/13 05:13 PM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4
S
Snev Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
S
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4
Small update:
In the Alsa quirks-table.h header file (see http://fossies.org/dox/alsa-driver-1.0.25/quirks-table_8h.html) I have found 'quirks' for different Yamaha keyboards. Some have their name next to the vendor ID, some don't. I don't find the name P-105 in the list, but maybe the vendor ID is somewhere in the list without the name?

Perhaps there is someone with a P-105 and a Windledows PC who can check this ID?
If it is not in the list I can try to add it manually but that doesn't mean it will work if USB-MIDI behaves differently on the P-105 than on the P-250 for example.

I am getting more confident though, but I'm still not sure...

Edit: I'm going to a music store tomorrow. I'll take my Linux laptop with me and hopefully I'm allowed to test it there. Will keep you folks updated.

Last edited by Snev; 10/11/13 05:15 PM.
Re: Yamah P105 MIDI USB LINUX
Snev #2165246 10/12/13 11:37 AM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4
S
Snev Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
S
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4
So I went to the music store, attached my Linux laptop and it was autodetected as 'Digital Piano'. That seems quite right doesn't it!

Although I forgot to install Midi software I did saw the 'Digital Piano' with its midi in and midi out in Jack so now I'm sure it will work.

Kind greetings!


Moderated by  Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Karsten Collection
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Complaining clients that wear hearing aids
by TimM_980 - 09/30/20 01:06 PM
Samick JS-115 VS. Yamaha M405
by AngP - 09/30/20 11:30 AM
Searching for a new piano
by lisztlover - 09/30/20 10:57 AM
Pianist receives bionic gloves
by dogperson - 09/30/20 09:11 AM
What's Hot!!
News from the Piano World
3,000,000+!
------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics201,908
Posts3,008,374
Members98,725
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2020 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4