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#2163502 - 10/08/13 01:43 PM Anybody running older pianos . . .  
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Say, 10 years or more? Any reliability issues over that period? Warranty claims? It`s worth knowing . . . .

I`ve had no trouble with my Yams (4) but I did have with a Yam PSR keyboard . . .it lost it`s ability to retain data when mains was switched off . . . and a Kawai CN 270 had an electrical masterboard fault from new. . .


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#2163521 - 10/08/13 02:24 PM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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Roland RD-1000 from 1986. Still going strong. No issues at all whilst I have owned it (since 2005).

#2163557 - 10/08/13 04:22 PM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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peterws, I have read your post, here:

Subject: Anybody running older pianos . . .

Say, 10 years or more? Any reliability issues over that period? Warranty claims? It`s worth knowing . . . .

I`ve had no trouble with my Yams (4) but I did have with a Yam PSR keyboard . . .it lost it`s ability to retain data when mains was switched off . . . and a Kawai CN 270 had an electrical masterboard fault
from new. . .

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Well, I have a YamCLP50 (Clavinova) which is I think 35 years old bought in the '80s as I recall. It has huge speakers, two 18 inch speakers and 1 or two 8 inch speakers. While I didn't play it much for the last 30 - 35 years, gathering dust, but has been left on and never turned off all those years because I was afraid the switch would break so I never turned it off except 1, 2, 3 times when I moved it downstairs and then upstairs and now permanently upstairs. It has two nice pedals that work nicely and do not create a muddy sound like my inexpensive p95. I think it cost 3,000 in the 1980 and I made 2 payments of 1,500 Canadian dollars so I didn't play interest, but 2 payments 15 days apart. When I started learning to play the piano for the second time 2 years ago, I used it for the first 6 months starting all over again from the beginning - dusting off the piano because it sat switch on but never played since the 1980s - but as much as I loved the CLP50, I knew and craved for a 3 legged acoustic piano and went hunting and looking. When I found one secondhand played only by a young child for 10 years, I knew I could do no better and bought it and although I love and play my 2 digitals everyday, my ears, hands, heart, soul - my whole body loves it when I sit down at the 3 legged secondhand acoustic piano and play anything on it because it is a priceless experience everytime and as a beginner of 2 years playing 60 MM, I can hardly get it started let alone play anything fast - but I am working on speed - slow speed - at 80 MM - 100 MM without errors - else I have to play the pieces all over again. And, of course, it is the sound of the acoustic that is priceless.

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#2163559 - 10/08/13 04:26 PM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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I have an old Korg X5 in the original gigbag on top of my wardrobe.

I haven't turned it on for a while, but I'm confident it will still work fine.

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#2163755 - 10/09/13 01:32 AM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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Kawai MP8000 - haven't used it in a while, but expect to fire it up again before Christmas. Keeping my fingers crossed that all will be well!

#2163757 - 10/09/13 01:52 AM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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Originally Posted by peterws
Say, 10 years or more? Any reliability issues over that period? Warranty claims? It`s worth knowing . . . .

I`ve had no trouble with my Yams (4) but I did have with a Yam PSR keyboard . . .it lost it`s ability to retain data when mains was switched off . . . and a Kawai CN 270 had an electrical masterboard fault from new. . .


The PSR probably had an internal battery die. Their lifespan is only around 7 years. In fact, I have a Kurzweil K2600XS (13 years old) that is displaying a warning message about this very thing. Luckily, there's a trap door on the bottom making battery replacement easy. No issues from that board in the years I've had it, and I have an even older K2500XS that I use regularly with no issues.

I would expect that 10 years is no problem for a DP normally, especially judging by all the Yamaha P80's and P120's I see around. 20 years seems to be where problems start cropping up.


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#2163794 - 10/09/13 05:13 AM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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Ten years life with no repairs would make any mid or high-end DP cheap in the long run, if you think of it as money per month of use.

In my case it would have cost me 10,41€/month. That's a great price, isn't it?
The Yammie I borrowed at the very beginning was a 1987 model, and it just ned some minor key adjustment and some connectors to be brushed up.

Hope that planned obsolescence won't ruin my hopes.


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#2163807 - 10/09/13 05:40 AM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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I have another thread going about my M8000. After 20 or 30 years. (not sure just how old) I have a dirty contact. That's the only problem.
Am surprised how the battery has lasted this long.


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#2163825 - 10/09/13 07:25 AM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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Korg SG-1D with Presonus AudoBox 22VSL, and older quad-core desktop. This Korg SG-1D belonged to my dad and is probably around 20 years old. The damper pedal needs to be replaced since I am not getting midi signals from it. Everything else works perfectly, I no longer use the onboard sounds just virtual pianos. It is extremely heavy.

#2164045 - 10/09/13 04:56 PM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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@peterws,

As you may already know I am lucky to now own a Clavinova CLP-990M and since it was sold to me in very good condition to begin with (as the owner's wife played on it very little) it was a worthwhile purchase.

I spent an extra $1,275 for the long distance shipping plus an additional $388.64 for repair of the pedal box and a sustain pedal adjustment, which totals $1,663.64 - just for the delivery and repairs.

Add in the above costs to the price of the piano, i.e., $2K:

Grand total is: $3,663.64.

Extra note:

Also purchased a new pedal support bolt ($28.47) and a new AC power cord ($48.86) which is included in the above total. All of this brings the piano back into very good playing condition.

And, at no additional cost, did two minor repairs of my own by re-gluing the two loose veneer ends on the front of the piano, which fixed the cosmetic flaws.

#2164054 - 10/09/13 05:16 PM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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$48 for a power cord! Is it at least gold plated?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
$48 for a power cord! Is it at least gold plated?


As for your question... it probably should be.

Both parts (probably a few bucks elsewhere) were ordered directly through the Yamaha "Parts" department online. This was to make sure the two (2) parts would work with the CLP-990M.

#2164085 - 10/09/13 06:22 PM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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The pedal bolt is probably product-specific. $28 is a lot, but there aren't many options unless you have craft skills. (I don't.) smile

But power cords are internationally standardized and sell for only a few dollars each.

#2164177 - 10/09/13 09:50 PM Re: Anybody running older pianos . . . [Re: peterws]  
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I had to have the felt pad replaced in my P200, but turns out Yamaha had done a repair order on those and all I paid for was the service. I bought it in 2001. As far as I know, my modules, which range in year from 1994-2000 all work fine.


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