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Re: Which conservatories in the US are hardest to get into? [Re: Pogorelich.] #2162182
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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
... but Rice isn't always completely free, like Yale. It has money, but it's not "if you get in, you get full no matter what". I have many, many friends at Rice and have been there several times, and that's what I've discovered.


In some cases when you get admitted to Rice you simply get in. My son spent two years at Rice earning a Masters degree in Architecture and walked away with a hefty $50K college loan debt. grin


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Re: Which conservatories in the US are hardest to get into? [Re: Sand Tiger] #2162185
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Originally Posted by Sand Tiger
As with everything that a person might find on the Internet, if a person is serious, please take some time to find other sources. Top music schools listed at:
http://www.uscollegeranking.org/music/2012-top-music-school-rankings.html

Again, I don't know how reliable that source is. The top 10 from that list:
1 University of Rochester (Eastman School of Music) NY
2 Juilliard School NY
3 Curtis Institute of Music PA
4 New England Conservatory of Music MA
5 Indiana University-Bloomington IN
6 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor MI
7 Northwestern University IL
8 Oberlin College Conservatory OH
9 University of Cincinnati OH
10 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign IL


Strange list indeed. Yale comes in at #11 and Rice doesn't even make the top 20.

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Originally Posted by carey
Originally Posted by Sand Tiger
As with everything that a person might find on the Internet, if a person is serious, please take some time to find other sources. Top music schools listed at:
http://www.uscollegeranking.org/music/2012-top-music-school-rankings.html

Again, I don't know how reliable that source is. The top 10 from that list:
1 University of Rochester (Eastman School of Music) NY
2 Juilliard School NY
3 Curtis Institute of Music PA
4 New England Conservatory of Music MA
5 Indiana University-Bloomington IN
6 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor MI
7 Northwestern University IL
8 Oberlin College Conservatory OH
9 University of Cincinnati OH
10 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign IL


Strange list indeed. Yale comes in at #11 and Rice doesn't even make the top 20.


Maybe they don't give out such information.

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I seriously doubt Rochester beats Curtis......... but okay..



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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
I seriously doubt Rochester beats Curtis......... but okay..


I agree..... crazy


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Originally Posted by JoelW
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As with everything that a person might find on the Internet, if a person is serious, please take some time to find other sources. Top music schools listed at:
http://www.uscollegeranking.org/music/2012-top-music-school-rankings.html.
Strange list indeed. Yale comes in at #11 and Rice doesn't even make the top 20.
Maybe they don't give out such information.
Not quite sure what you mean - I got it from the link provided above to the FULL list of 30 schools.

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Re: Which conservatories in the US are hardest to get into? [Re: Carey] #2162229
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As with everything that a person might find on the Internet, if a person is serious, please take some time to find other sources. Top music schools listed at:
http://www.uscollegeranking.org/music/2012-top-music-school-rankings.html.
Strange list indeed. Yale comes in at #11 and Rice doesn't even make the top 20.
Maybe they don't give out such information.
Not quite sure what you mean - I got it from the link provided above to the FULL list of 30 schools.


What I meant was, perhaps they do not give out their acceptance rate information, but I see now.

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Does anyone consider Rice, MIT, Yale, or (et al) to be among the great music conservatories in the US? Really?

Curtis has a fixed number of students. When there is an availability in the orchestra, as example, there is an audition for that particular opening. This also applies to the piano department. There is no tuition. Financial assistance is available to meet other expenses. And, get this, all piano students are provided a Steinway for their off campus residence.

Among teachers who have students at the artist level, Curtis is the most difficult to gain acceptance.


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Does anyone consider Rice, MIT, Yale, or (et al) to be among the great music conservatories in the US? Really?

Curtis has a fixed number of students. When there is an availability in the orchestra, as example, there is an audition for that particular opening. This also applies to the piano department. There is no tuition. Financial assistance is available to meet other expenses. And, get this, all piano students are provided a Steinway for their off campus residence.

Among teachers who have students at the artist level, Curtis is the most difficult to gain acceptance.


I don't know their piano programs, but some top string players have come out of Yale and Rice. And wasn't one of the successful Cliburn competitors from Yale?

Of course, Rice and Yale also have outstanding academic programs.

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If memory serves, in the recent VCC the pianist the pianist to whom you refer is Sean Chen. He holds both a Bachelor's and Master's Degree from Juilliard. He is currently working on an Artist Diploma from Yale in order to study with Hung-Kuan Chen and Tema Blackstone. The importance of an AD is with whom you study, rather than where you are schooled.

Compared to the artist level output of, say, Curtis, Juilliard, Eastman, Oberlin, et al, the additions of Rice or Yale to the world of performance are minimal at best. The single student does not make the school.


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Does anyone consider Rice, MIT, Yale, or (et al) to be among the great music conservatories in the US? Really?
We don't know the criteria used in the music school evaluation list that was posted. It could have included, and I assume it did, a lot more than just the talent and skill of the students or how many graduates go on to big performing careers.

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Are we still talking about conservatories? What gets you in is your skill and musicianship. You play an audition, that gets you in, or not.


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Are we still talking about conservatories? What gets you in is your skill and musicianship. You play an audition, that gets you in, or not.


Who knew?

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There may be schools that in a broader sense are certainly more selective. However, I overheard some faculty talking at mannes and they said they had 50 applicants for flute but only 1 opening. So that particular flutist had a more selective hurdle than Curtis

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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Are we still talking about conservatories? What gets you in is your skill and musicianship. You play an audition, that gets you in, or not.


HAHAHA!!! Pretty naive statement. Not everyone gets in this way!



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However, the number of applicants for the single flute opening would be higher than at Mannes. Consider that Curtis is an international school and there are a huge number of applications for any opening. The screening and evaluation process is extensive before you are even invited to audition. A single flute opening would draw far in excess of 50 applicants.


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Does anyone consider Rice, MIT, Yale, or (et al) to be among the great music conservatories in the US? Really?


Rice and Yale are among the top 30 MUSIC schools in the US (I doubt anyone here would argue with that), and MIT was mentioned by Mark in a completely different context.

And really - who cares??? Yes - you have to be extremely gifted to gain admission to the top 5-10 music schools/conservatories in the US - but attending and/or graduating from those institutions does not guarantee a successful career.

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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
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Are we still talking about conservatories? What gets you in is your skill and musicianship. You play an audition, that gets you in, or not.


HAHAHA!!! Pretty naive statement. Not everyone gets in this way!

Hardly naïve, my dear. How familiar are you with Curtis, Paris Conservatory, or Vienna Academy? Daddy can't buy Junior a spot on the football team at those conservatories.


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Originally Posted by carey
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Does anyone consider Rice, MIT, Yale, or (et al) to be among the great music conservatories in the US? Really?


Rice and Yale are among the top 30 MUSIC schools in the US (I doubt anyone here would argue with that), and MIT was mentioned by Mark in a completely different context.

And really - who cares??? Yes - you have to be extremely gifted to gain admission to the top 5-10 music schools/conservatories in the US - but graduating from those institutions does not guarantee a successful career.

However, the question is not about schools of music. It is about conservatories and difficulty of admittance. The purpose of the differentiation is the important factor.

Did you know that Yale doesn't even have a college of music? It only grants degrees at the university level, and other than the rare AD, the primary focus is academic.


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
However, the question is not about schools of music. It is about conservatories and difficulty of admittance. The purpose of the differentiation is the important factor.

Did you know that Yale doesn't even have a college of music? It only grants degrees at the university level, and other than the rare AD, the primary focus is academic.


Here's what I know about Yale....

The Yale School of Music is one of the twelve professional schools at Yale University, offering three graduate degrees: Master of Music (MM), Master of Musical Arts (MMA), and Doctor of Musical Arts (DMA). The School also offers a joint Bachelor of Arts—Master of Music program in conjunction with Yale College, a Certificate in Performance, and an Artist Diploma.

In addition, the Dean of the Yale School of Music, Robert Blocker, is a former classmate of mine.

You are correct about the original post. We've obviously strayed from PL's question. smile

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