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Best Console Digital Piano Under $1000???
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I am new to this world and my brain is fried after doing so much research. I am feeling like I should ask non-sales people their opinion before pulling the trigger on something.

2 of my 4 kids are taking piano and I wanted to be sure they would stick with it before investing in something. It's now been 4 years since my oldest started, he has officially run out of keys on our Sam's Club Yamaha keyboard. Plus, our new teacher says he is advanced for his age but his technique is suffering because of the keyboard. So I am supposed to find the best weighted hammer action keys I can afford.

It's also going in our front room and if I am forking out this much money, I better at least like to look at it so therefore, it has to be a console style.

I have read the blogs and there is much debate but after reading this forum, I think I am coming straight to the real experts! I am hoping there will be some consensus among you and that will REALLY help me out!

So what's the best weighted hammer action keys, console style DP under $1000???

Thanks in advance!

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There are a number of console-style pianos at just over $1000. There really aren't any that are worth their salt at under $1000.

Unless you consider this kind of thing to be "console style". Do you?

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pianomom5 #2160824 10/02/13 10:39 AM
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Or like this P-105 from Yamaha?

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Casio PX 850 if you think it is a "Console".

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Casio PX 850 is the one, it's better than the other casios below it.

Another one to consider is the Casio PX5s, which is $1000 dollars, has no speakers, and is portable.

It would make for a very inspiring keyboard experience because of all the things it does.

Otherwise the Casio PX 850 for a console.

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pianomom5 #2160880 10/02/13 01:44 PM
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@gvfarns and xorbe...those aren't what I consider a "console", but then again, I am super new to all this and I don't have the lingo down yet. I want something that somewhat resembles a real upright piano just because it is so visible in our front room.

I have looked at the Casio PX850 from the start because of Tim Praskin's website but some on these forums have speculated that he pushes Casio's because of higher margins or whatever. But higher margins or not, if that is all I can afford then so be it!! I just need to be sure since my son's teacher has voiced that she hates Casio's but admittedly has not tried them in a few years. I need to be able to say, "Well, on Piano World...." smile

His son, Erik Praskins, also recommended I look at the Casio AP250...any thoughts on that one?

Thanks to all your replies thus far too!!!

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pianomom5 #2160888 10/02/13 02:10 PM
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pianomom5, I have read your post, here:
I am new to this world and my brain is fried after doing so much research. I am feeling like I should ask non-sales people their opinion before pulling the trigger on something.

2 of my 4 kids are taking piano and I wanted to be sure they would stick with it before investing in something. It's now been 4 years since my oldest started, he has officially run out of keys on our Sam's Club Yamaha keyboard. Plus, our new teacher says he is advanced for his age but his technique is suffering because of the keyboard. So I am supposed to find the best weighted hammer action keys I can afford.

It's also going in our front room and if I am forking out this much money, I better at least like to look at it so therefore, it has to be a console style.

I have read the blogs and there is much debate but after reading this forum, I think I am coming straight to the real experts! I am hoping there will be some consensus among you and that will REALLY help me out!

So what's the best weighted hammer action keys, console style DP under $1000???

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I have a 25 year old Clavinova CLP - 50 which has 2 2 foot speakers, good sound and good weighted keys and it cost at the time in Canada I think $3000.00 in the 1980s. as I recall. I have Yamaha P95 and it is great and only $600. Canadian, doesn't sound as
good as my Clavinova, in my opinion but I personally don't think the action is that different even for the Vant_Gard or whatever it is called that costs 10,000 dollars.

What do your children or you think if you play the piano and even if you don't, I think anybody would think the action is different, yes, but not that different from any other digital piano for any cost - but again - it is what you think - and I don't think that the actions are any better - so I can't help you - but others may convince you otherwise with sound knowledge.

cheers, and good luck


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The AP 450 has I think the same spec as the PX 850 but in a far nicer cabinet at a slightly higher price. It sure sounds excellent on Youtube demo. But don`t they all?


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Originally Posted by pianomom5
@gvfarns and xorbe...those aren't what I consider a "console", but then again, I am super new to all this and I don't have the lingo down yet. I want something that somewhat resembles a real upright piano just because it is so visible in our front room.

No worries, we were just throwing possible lower budget options out there!

Unfortunately, "furniture" DPs tend to come with higher price tags.

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"and if I am forking out this much money, I better at least like to look at it "

Better to assume that you will resell the unit at a later time because them digitals aint pretty no matter what you buy. In that case, Yamaha has the best brand name recognition for low cost digital and acoustic pianos.

The Yamaha P-155 is the industry standard for action and sound at $1000. Its not a console but frankly who cares. And its state of the art today and forever because R&D in digital pianos is complete.

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"The Yamaha P-155 is the industry standard for action and sound at $1000. Its not a console but frankly who cares. And its state of the art today and forever because R&D in digital pianos is complete. "

I just played one in the shop. NOT good . . . .


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pianomom5 #2160962 10/02/13 07:02 PM
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If the P105 and PX105 with matching stands are not nice enough looking for the OP, then you are pretty much out of luck. There are no pianos that are 1) cheap 2) good 3) nicer looking than that.

You will need to adjust either your budget or your taste.

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The PX-850 sound generator includes a feature called "string resonance". That sets it apart (and makes it better) than other Casio DP's.

The current generation of Casios shares a common keyboard mechanism, and it's a pretty good one. IMHO (and it _is_ humble!) it beats the Yamaha "GHS" action (P105) and equals the Yamaha "GH" action (P155).

I _think_ there's a Casio in the "AP-" series (real cabinets) that has the same keyboard action and sound generator as the PX-850. The Praskins should know which one it is.

If so, that might be your best value, in terms of "dollars per year of use". If it's not affordable, I can only echo a previous post:

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You will need to adjust either your budget or your taste.


Digital piano technology isn't changing quickly, but the quality of sound, for a given budget, is improving. So in a few years, you may upgrade to a new DP, or buy an acoustic piano. Don't be surprised if that happens. You're buying a piece of consumer electronics, not a family heirloom.

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PS -- Casio keyboard quality is _way_ better now, than it was a few years ago. Your kids' teacher might be pleasantly surprised by a PX- series Casio. However, it will _not_ feel "just like an acoustic piano". For that feel, you'll have to double or triple your budget.

PPS -- bias -- I own a PX-350.

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Originally Posted by peterws
"The Yamaha P-155 is the industry standard for action and sound at $1000. Its not a console but frankly who cares. And its state of the art today and forever because R&D in digital pianos is complete. "

I just played one in the shop. NOT good . . . .

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The Yamaha P-155 is the industry standard for action and sound at $1000. Its not a console but frankly who cares. And its state of the art today and forever because R&D in digital pianos is complete.


Riigggttt..... crazy crazy sleep

The P-155 is a fine DP...however, I am pretty sure that most rational DP consumers and pianists would acknowledge that Casio has (currently) taken the mantle for the most technically advanced DP (console or slab) for $1000 or less price point.

And, IMHO, I would put Casio's Tri-sensor Scaled Hammer Action II above either the Yamaha P-105 or P-155 (both of which I played at length). For me, the new Casio action better replicates the touch, feedback and sensitivity of an acoustic grand action...and is all the more remarkable given it's price point.

Also, I hope everyone remembers that the troll known as StarvingLion carries zero credibility in this forum.

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If Tritium's claims about the Casio PX-850 were valid it would be a sensation in this forum for price conscious classical pianists looking for something more. But it is not a sensation. The Casio PX-850 sound generator is inadequate.

My opinions are very closely aligned with that of the marketplace.

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Originally Posted by StarvingLion


My opinions are very closely aligned with that of the marketplace.


...so tempting, but I won't bite.

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Originally Posted by Tritium
The P-155 is a fine DP...however, I am pretty sure that most rational DP consumers and pianists would acknowledge that Casio has (currently) taken the mantle for the most technically advanced DP (console or slab) for $1000 or less price point.


I would agree with this. Basically Casio has three sensors and the possibility of high resolution MIDI, which other pianos in the price range do not.

It doesn't follow that people prefer Casio's offerings to Yamaha's. Some people like one, some people like the other. That's true of both the action and sound.

I don't know if Casio's 850 qualifies as a sensation, but it is pretty popular in this forum and elsewhere. Its popularity isn't that much greater than its predecessor, though. The truth is that recent innovations don't make a very huge difference in popularity. The DP market is not super competitive and many people just buy whatever piano is available near them and more-or-less in their price range. You can't make a piano a sensation just by making it way better than the competition, unfortunately. It takes years of building up brand recognition and establishing retail channels. And it takes an insane amount of advertising. Even then, I'm not so sure. I can't think of any digital piano I'd call a "sensation."

Vid, if you read this, you are going down. You jinxed us all by bringing StarvingLion back via your invitation in the "Have you ever bought..." thread.

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Don't let the Casio name dissuade you from a good DP. I grew up on an acoustic upright and I tried the Casio AP450 and liked it. Got a positive second opinion from my brother who's a professional pianist and I bought it.

Once you open the top lid, it makes a lot of difference in sound quality. The feel of the key weight is really nice and you can set it to heavy for a more expressive action (which I prefer).

My 2 cents ...


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I just recently bought a Casio Px-850. It's really great, has a very realistic sound and it's a joy to play. Definitely go with it, you won't regret that decision. It has technology in it that most keyboard with a bit higher of a price tag don't even have.

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