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Grand Feel vs RM3 II key actions
#2160374 10/01/13 07:49 AM
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Can someone who has tried both Kawai's Grand Feel and RM3 II key actions share your opinions on the subtle differences between the two?


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I've tried both. The difference is that the GF feels more even to play. When you play in a key with a lot of black notes, you notice the response is more uniform under your fingers. The extra key length is nice - but it depends how sensitive you are. I'd get the GF for myself, I think it's worth it. But you really have to try it yourself.

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Hey Ando, did you notice the bounciness that some early testers complained about while playing the GF? More generally, in any way did you find GF inferior?

Man I wish there was a Kawai digital dealer within a few hundred miles.

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Originally Posted by gvfarns
Hey Ando, did you notice the bounciness that some early testers complained about while playing the GF? More generally, in any way did you find GF inferior?

Man I wish there was a Kawai digital dealer within a few hundred miles.


No Gv, I don't recall any bounciness or anything unusual. I just remember the action was nice and even and that I enjoyed playing the CA65 a lot more than I enjoyed playing the CA93. The GF wasn't inferior in any way to me. Having said that, the RM3 is still a very good action. RM3 with 3 sensors would be something I could live with.

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What ando says.

Both are excellent actions for someone used to/aiming at acoustic piano actions. The GF is very nice and even to play; the extra key length is very welcome and gave me the impression of a tad lighter action (which objectively may be wrong). However the RM3-II with three sensors is a fantastic action as well and I don't regret for a minute to have bought my VPC1. I must say though that the variable curve feature of the VPC1 adds a lot to the playability of various piano sounds for me, and it is actually difficult to tell apart the contributions of the action itself and the part played by choosing the right curve for a sound.

I remember that when I tried out the MP10 (with the RM3 two-sensor action) I was less impressed.




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Originally Posted by ando
I've tried both. The difference is that the GF feels more even to play. When you play in a key with a lot of black notes, you notice the response is more uniform under your fingers. The extra key length is nice - but it depends how sensitive you are. I'd get the GF for myself, I think it's worth it. But you really have to try it yourself.


Good to know! "Nuvole Bianche" should be a nice piece to try it out.

I wish I can try out both the GF and RM3 II feel. The only Kawai representative in my country doesn't want to bring in any new digital pianos with those two key actions because of how quickly digital pianos become obsolete (compared to acoustics, which they could hold for much longer). And GF is in the higher-end models, which made their potential losses even more.

But I did place an order for CA95 with them. Should get it in Nov/Dec.

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If haven't had an opportunity to try the Kawai GF action. However, their RM3-II action is absolutely one of the best in the industry. So, I have to expect that they didn't mess up, and their GF action is even slightly better.

With that said, it is a matter of personal taste, experience, and preference as to just how superior the Kawai RM3-II action is, compared to, for example, Casio's PX-X50 Tri-Sensor Scaled Hammer Action II.

Yes, Kawia's RM3-II is a better action, but (IMHO) it isn't >$1,000 superior. Again, just my opinion.

Nevertheless, price no object...Kawai's top of the line actions (RM3-II and GF) is the industry leader.


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