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Anyone's digital piano out of tune? Seriously.
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Though I'm not a piano player, I like to tinker with technical stuff.. so the other day, I got this software

http://www.aptuner.com/cgi-bin/aptuner/apmain.html

But even before using that software, when I hit two notes simutaneously that is spread apart about 5 or so notes, I hear a warbo.. It's late now, but tomorrow, I'll let you guys know which note.. it's wierd. I thought that companies would make sure that the pianos are TUNED before sampling.. then i used the above software, and i confirm that there's one note that's particularly off, and the high notes are a bit off too, which isn't as critical as they were all a bit off by the same amount, so there isn't that warbo.. sigh.. it's no big deal, but I'm just saying, shouldn't digital piano companies make sure at the very minimum, they make sure the piano is first tuned??

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pianoworldanon #2159506 09/29/13 06:25 AM
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Which tuning was effective at the time? e.g Equal Temperament? Maybe it's 'in tune' for that tuning temperament.

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"shouldn't digital piano companies make sure at the very minimum, they make sure the piano is first tuned??"

Might I suggest it is trying to emulate the real thing?



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Originally Posted by pianoworldanon

But even before using that software, when I hit two notes simutaneously that is spread apart about 5 or so notes, I hear a warbo.. It's late now, but tomorrow, I'll let you guys know which note.. it's wierd. I thought that companies would make sure that the pianos are TUNED before sampling.. then i used the above software, and i confirm that there's one note that's particularly off, and the high notes are a bit off too, which isn't as critical as they were all a bit off by the same amount, so there isn't that warbo.. sigh.. it's no big deal, but I'm just saying, shouldn't digital piano companies make sure at the very minimum, they make sure the piano is first tuned??


If your digital is tuned to equal temperament with stretch tuning (which is the default setting) no two notes will be exactly in tune, except for octaves. But the stretch tuning also means that the high notes are tuned slightly sharp, and the bottom notes slightly flat. It's because of the way our ears perceive the high-pitched sounds as flat and the low-pitched sounds as sharp, if you get my drift; so the tuning used by piano technicians and DP companies aim to 'correct' that.

Equal temperament results in the perfect 5ths being slightly flat (ratio of 1.4983 instead of 1.5) and the major thirds to be sharp (1.26 instead of 1.25). The latter is quite noticeable when you hear a string player playing in true 1.25 ratio.


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pianoworldanon #2159570 09/29/13 09:16 AM
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Many digitals allow you to choose from a set of temperaments, with ET as the default.

If you set the piano to some other temperament, a tuning device set to ET will report mistuning of some of the piano notes.

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The P-85 I use at work defaults to a pretty high tuning when you turn it on, I might guess A=443 or more. With the P-85, you can set it back to a more acceptable value by holding certain keys down. If that's what's happening with yours, the manual should mention how to set the tuning.

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Originally Posted by pianoworldanon
Though I'm not a piano player, I like to tinker with technical stuff.. so the other day, I got this software

http://www.aptuner.com/cgi-bin/aptuner/apmain.html

But even before using that software, when I hit two notes simutaneously that is spread apart about 5 or so notes, I hear a warbo.. It's late now, but tomorrow, I'll let you guys know which note.. it's wierd. I thought that companies would make sure that the pianos are TUNED before sampling.. then i used the above software, and i confirm that there's one note that's particularly off, and the high notes are a bit off too, which isn't as critical as they were all a bit off by the same amount, so there isn't that warbo.. sigh.. it's no big deal, but I'm just saying, shouldn't
digital piano companies make sure at the very minimum, they make sure the piano is first tuned??


What brand and model are you listening to?
Certain DPs' have out of tune notes.


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