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It looks like Yamaha is coming out with a replacement for the MOX8, with the expanded wave ROM of the Motif XF, 128 polyphony, and most importantly, the ability to install a flash card.

http://br.yamaha.com/pt/news_events/music_instruments/expomusic-2013-novidades/

Click the first pop down section. Google translates the text as:

The Yamaha MOX is today the keyboard average selling price of Brazil. Now imagine if this line evolve for the better with the sounds of the MOTIF XF. Yamaha Musical Brazil proudly presents the new model YAMAHA MOXF in two versions, 61 and 88 keys with the best features that this category of keyboards can offer. Imagine the sounds of the MOTIF XF in 755MB of Wave ROM, 128-voice polyphony, voices expansion via flash memory (optional), AI7 CUBASE software with fully integrated and ready to sync to MOXF, plus giveaways as VST's YC -3B (organ simulator) and Prologue (simulator Synth). The new MOXF is the best option for average and still offers friendly interface completely.

Even just as a piano, I think this is very interesting. There are some nice downloadable pianos for the Motif XF. The problem was that the 88 key XF and flash card cost $3750 and weighed 64 lbs. So unless you really wanted its non-piano capabilities, there was little reason to consider it. You were likely to find a better piano-alone for less money and less weight.

But if the MOXF8 sells for what the MOX8 did, plus the memory board, that's $1850 for a 33 pound board that can now have some very nice pianos sounds.There's a 491 mb Steinway from Sonic Reality, there's a 287 mb Kawai from Gospel Musicians... there's Yamaha's own popular S700 sample from the S90ES, which has been available as free download on the Motif XF, but has never before been available in a weighted board that weighed less than about 50 lbs. I'm not saying these are going to compare with software pianos, but for that (apparently pretty good sized) market of people who want their sounds inside their board, I think this will bring a bunch of higher quality options into a lower price range. There are a number of high quality EP samples you can download into it also. So I think this could put a bit of a squeeze on, for example, the Nord Piano 2 HA and HP.

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Re: Yamaha MOXF [Re: anotherscott] #2142476
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Thanks for the info Scott!

With this, and the 'censored' board leaked last week, stage performers look set to be rather spoiled in the coming months.

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Re: Yamaha MOXF [Re: anotherscott] #2142567
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That S700 is still damm fine !!!


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Re: Yamaha MOXF [Re: anotherscott] #2142736
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Thanks for the info.I new something was up when i saw the mox6&8 prices were lowered.Im happy i didnt buy the mox6 yet.Looking foward to playing the moxf.

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Re: Yamaha MOXF [Re: anotherscott] #2142760
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
I'm not saying these are going to compare with software pianos...

Deck chairs, Titanic - I can't believe we're nearing the end of 2013 and that phrase continues to apply to literally every DP out there. 8 to 16 GB full sample sets are looking smaller every day and Pianoteq in a box could still totally kill.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
With this, and the 'censored' board leaked last week, stage performers look set to be rather spoiled in the coming months.

Not sure what the leak will ultimately be, but with spoiling like this who needs enemies?

Re: Yamaha MOXF [Re: dewster] #2142955
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Originally Posted by dewster
Originally Posted by Kawai James
With this, and the 'censored' board leaked last week, stage performers look set to be rather spoiled in the coming months.

Not sure what the leak will ultimately be, but with spoiling like this who needs enemies?


With eternal optimists such as yourself, who needs friends?


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Re: Yamaha MOXF [Re: anotherscott] #2143114
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I think it was just a rumor Yummie spoiled out... because they took off that announcement. Just sayin'.

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Re: Yamaha MOXF [Re: anotherscott] #2143152
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Yup, they took it down. I think someone realized it wasn't supposed to be publicized until the show started.

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Which show ? NAMM 2014 ? That's still way off :-(

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The obvious goal of the leak (as many similar ones) IMO was as follows - those, who were almost ready for buying Krome (as the most up-to-date model in this section) now can consider the option of MOXF,.. even if some waiting ahead. The healthy competition... and it is good for us.

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Originally Posted by JFP
Which show ? NAMM 2014 ? That's still way off :-(


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Re: Yamaha MOXF [Re: anotherscott] #2143271
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I don't think they're going to announce the MOXF at ExpoMusic. I think they're going to wait a bigger music event such as NAMM.


"But its got a crap keyboard action Dave ... no amount of great sounds help that."
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Originally Posted by Pedro_Henrique
they took off that announcement.

Yup...

Originally Posted by Petro
The obvious goal of the leak (as many similar ones) IMO was as follows - those, who were almost ready for buying Krome (as the most up-to-date model in this section) now can consider the option of MOXF,.. even if some waiting ahead.

Honestly, I think it was just a mistake on their part. As I said in another forum, If they want to create a buzz, they did a pretty bad job. If you google, you'll get a whopping three hits, which include the pages with my two posts (here and in the other forum). And I can assure you, they did not ask me to post. I just happened across the one other hit, which was in a Motifator forum... and while the mods there didn't nuke it (yet), it was quickly banished from the active forum where I'd found it to the wasteland that is the "lounge" where basically all that happened was a couple of the typical bashers proceeded to complain that it's another example of Yamaha not doing anything worthwhile. If they were counting on my finding it and reposting it for anything positive to come out of it, I'd have to say it was about the worst stealth marketing campaign ever.

Originally Posted by Pedro_Henrique
I don't think they're going to announce the MOXF at ExpoMusic. I think they're going to wait a bigger music event such as NAMM.

Don't you think Brazil is important? ;-)

Seriously, that's not Yamaha's "MO." They are not so show-centric. Last year, they announced the MX (a kind of similar trickle-down of features from the higher end of the line to the lower) in mid-October, at no show whatsoever. The Motif XF itself was also not announced at any show. I think that, if something is ready to go to market, they do it, and only make it a "show event" if, coincidentally, it happens to be very close to a show.

In this case, I suspect the imminent release just happened to be very close to the Brazil show, so the Brazil show lucked out. ;-) It is quite certain that they will announce it at the Brazil show, as it was in the main web page for the show until apparently someone realized they weren't supposed to publicize it yet.

But back to the significance of releasing something at a show, I think that 95% of the people who walk into a music store to look at keyboards have no idea NAMM even exists, much less know when it is. NAMM is designed largely for vendors to get some attention from the buyers (music dealers). For a smaller company, NAMM can be crucial... it's the only time to get your new product in front of the eyes, ears, and hands of people who are deciding what is going to be on the showroom floor of your local music store. That particular aspect of the show is not so important for Yamaha. They do not typically need to persuade stores to put their new products on their shelves. There are certain advantages in being the 800 pound gorilla.

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Well, I just googled a bit. Your points are quite persuasive indeed.

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Don't you think Brazil is important? ;-)[/quote]

Actually I do think Brazil is important market, but, our music events are just a repetition of what happened on the other music events as NAMM or Musikmesse. But you got a point. I've been googling it out, and I just saw your posts at motifator, KBC forum and Piano World Forum... I couldn't find anything else.
Maybe the MOXF was not ready yet.


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Originally Posted by Pedro_Henrique
Maybe the MOXF was not ready yet.

I think it will be officially revealed at the Brazilian show as planned.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/99113977@N05/9814067545/in/set-72157635648166164/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/99113977@N05/9814118575/in/set-72157635648166164/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/99113977@N05/9814156696/

You can see how it looks...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zCa283ZsJUk

I think its really cool. Ticks almost all boxes. Any sound you miss : use the flash memory ;-)

Only drawbacks IMHO compared to high end synths or high end stages ; top keybed with 3 sensors (for 88 version) , aftertouch. For the rest : very nice , especially for the price...

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It's tempting to sell my XS-Rack and go for the MOXF6 ... Thank Goodness there is time to think - They don't even promise it to be on sell in Europe yet..

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There's probably going to be some considerable mark-ups in the prices indicated in the articles above for the MOXF8 and MOXF6 in other markets...That $1,999 price for the MOXF8 can easily balloon up to or cost somewhere over roughly $2,800 (USD converted with mark-up) for other countries...

This one does seem to tick a lot of boxes: 4-zones, 8 assignable knobs, arpeggiators, 16-track-sequencer, flash memory expandability, better polyphony (124 notes; goodbye to 64-note polyphony in Yamaha's trickled-down keyboard models ...finally!)...vocoder...EQs...

Things missing are sliders and a ribbon controller input. (never mind touch screens ...these will be relatively more expensive to replace later on and will probably just jack up the price)...

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Originally Posted by BeowulfX
Things missing are sliders and a ribbon controller input.

The MOXF has a new mode for its knobs that the MOX didn't have, allowing the knobs to also perform some (or all?) of the functions that the faders have performed on their other models with faders.

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The moxf8 could be very interesting, I wonder how it is to play piano on it? I'm thinkin of the cp4 but maybe the moxf8 could be an alternative. If the pianosound and feel is good there's a lot more you can do with the moxf.

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Originally Posted by david_ka
The moxf8 could be very interesting, I wonder how it is to play piano on it? I'm thinkin of the cp4 but maybe the moxf8 could be an alternative. If the pianosound and feel is good there's a lot more you can do with the moxf.

Strictly as a piano, the CP4 has the edge with a much better action. The GHS action of the MOXF8 is their low end action, the same kind they put on the P35/P105. I think that, as a portable DP, that might be the biggest distinction, as the MOXF8 is the most expensive one they make with a bottom of the line action, while the CP4 is the least expensive one they have made with a top of the line action.

Comparing sound would be tricker. Out of the box, the CP4 should have the best piano sounds, it has Yamaha's latest piano samples and, I think, assorted piano-specific technology in its sound engine. OTOH, with the flash card, there are some very nice piano samples you can load into the MOXF. Kind of like a Nord, you can load in a wide range of pianos of different characters (though they are generally not free).

Another difference would be in the EPs, where, in addition to the distinction I mad above about the acoustics, the CP4's are more modeled while the MOXF remains strictly sample playback.


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