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Re: Possible Yamaha CP4 in the future?
36251 #2276480 05/15/14 11:29 AM
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Mine just came yesterday. Haven't been able to spent a lot of time with it but my K&M 18880 stand makes it sit too high. The CP4 has a little lip under it, similar to the CP300.

I guess I'll have to break out my Quik-Lok WS-550 out of the attic and see if that's a better height. A drag 'cause the 18880 was super light weight and a perfect height for the NP2.

Wondering if any other of the K&M stands go lower. Maybe the Omega, but that's sounds like a pia to set up & teardown for gigs.

Regarding pricing- you guys need to know where to shop.. wink


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Originally Posted by 36251
The fly on the wall at Yamaha Corp. "If Nord can overcharge, so can we."


Well, Yamaha might be capitalizing on RD800 being off the market. One less DP option in $2000+ range, Now you just have:

Artis $2,195 - great sound but crappy action
NP2 $2,999 - excellent but way expensive and ok action
MP11 $2,799 - arguably the best DP on market, but 71 lbs.
RD800 $2,499 - great action and piano sound, but a little heavy and long for some.

So now the CP4, with similar offerings closest to the RD800, and lightest weight in class, seems to be the winner at $2,299 ...and Yamaha knows it. Now sucking an extra hundo out of us.

BUT... then enters the stealth bomber of all the $2,000+ DPs and that would be the MP7. It's starting to make us all wonder why anyone needs to spend over $2,000 for any DP.

Re: Possible Yamaha CP4 in the future?
Rhodie73 #2276510 05/15/14 12:40 PM
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It would be interesting to hear how many of these DP's are sold each year. It's probably a niche market thus the high cost and slow curve for real innovation. I'm not implying that DP's haven't improved but you got to think that if these were mainstream then co.s would give us VST quality.


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Re: Possible Yamaha CP4 in the future?
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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris

Wondering if any other of the K&M stands go lower. Maybe the Omega, but that's sounds like a pia to set up & teardown for gigs.


OT: I use the Omega with ES7 and RD800. Very nice, solid, light, and not that much of a PITA to setup/breakdown as it looks. Very easy for wire management. It does have 28 slots for height adjustment BUT same lowest height as 18880 at 24.8"

Re: Possible Yamaha CP4 in the future?
Marko in Boston #2276535 05/15/14 01:36 PM
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Thanks Marko. Yes the Quik-Lok works better for height. It's goes maybe a half inch lower...which is a big deal for me. After using the K&M the last few years, the WS-550 looks butt ugly compared to the sleekness of the 18880. That's not good to hear about the Omega. I wonder if any of those K&M table stands go lower..

Just spent my first half hour comparing the NP2 and CP4. Listening with my RCF TT08As on speaker stands going through my APB Dyna Sonics ProSpec 2U6M2S mixer.

Initial thoughts - Wow NO comparison ! The CP4 is so much richer and easier to be expressive on , especially for jazz. The Yamaha inspires you (or me) to play, where the Nord makes me wanna go and take a nap. grin

Even my wife said, yes the CP4 sounds richer, fuller and more like a piano. She did say she could see how the Nord would sound good out front in the audience. I said ..yeah, that's were they get ya. laugh

She added...you've been unhappy with that Nord for 3 years now. Get what inspires you to play your best in spite of what it sounds like out front.

I said right, it should be more about me - Al Franken. grin

More thoughts to come when I get some more time to spend on the CP4.

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Re: Possible Yamaha CP4 in the future?
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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
Thanks Marko. Yes the Quik-Lok works better for height. It's goes maybe a half inch lower...which is a big deal for me. After using the K&M the last few years, the WS-550 looks butt ugly compared to the sleekness of the 18880. That's not good to hear about the Omega. I wonder if any of those K&M table stands go lower..

Just spent my first half hour comparing the NP2 and CP4. Listening with my RCF TT08As on speaker stands going through my APB Dynasonics ProSpec 6U2M2S mixer.

Initial thoughts - Wow NO comparison ! The CP4 is so much richer and easier to be expressive on , especially for jazz. The Yamaha inspires you (or me) to play, where the Nord makes me wanna go and take a nap. grin

Even my wife said, yes the CP4 sounds richer, fuller and more like a piano. She did say she could see how the Nord would sound good out front in the audience. I said ..yeah, that's were they get ya. laugh

She added...you've been unhappy with that Nord for 3 years now. Get what inspires you to play your best in spite of what it sounds like out front.

I said right, it should be more about me - Al Franken. grin

More thoughts to come when I get some more time to spend on the CP4.
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Good for you guys!!! Congrats and Im happy to hear some genuine good news about the CP4 from folks we can trust. I love the action and sound of the CP4, but I absolutely love the Sweetwater demo.

Ok, i know you have seen it over a million times... but until you guys make a new one, I will continuously post it!!! wink




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Congrats Dave!


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Re: Possible Yamaha CP4 in the future?
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Congrats Dave!

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Hey thanks guys. Played it more last night and I'm really liking it.


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Re: Possible Yamaha CP4 in the future?
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I was at GC in Boston after work yesterday with my coworker looking to purchase. We both jumped on the CP4 and sure is nice. Ive played it many times now and this was his first. Made a big first impression on him and he is primarily an acoustic for about 30 years.

Note: Not sure if you've noticed yet, but the one thing I really like about the CP4 is how the reverb sounds when adjusted to your liking. Something about it just seems so good and I can't quite explain it. All I know is I can't seem to replicate that same reverb-nuance-distinction on my ES7 or RD800. You know what mean? confused Maybe it's just me.

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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Note: Not sure if you've noticed yet, but the one thing I really like about the CP4 is how the reverb sounds when adjusted to your liking. Something about it just seems so good and I can't quite explain it. All I know is I can't seem to replicate that same reverb-nuance-distinction on my ES7 or RD800. You know what mean? confused Maybe it's just me.

The reverb on the RD-700NX is pretty horrible, Roland really needs better algorithms. I can't stand it even on the church organ voices, and I'm a reverb slut.

We have a Yamaha AN1x that has beautiful reverb, particularly for an older board. You know it's good if you're always turning it up / applying it to every voice.

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Originally Posted by dewster
I'm a reverb slut.


I have absolutely no idea what this means.
Actually, I don't think I want to know...


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Originally Posted by dewster
I'm a reverb slut.


I have absolutely no idea what this means.
Actually, I don't think I want to know...


It means that Dewster is the Ron Jeremy of reverb.

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